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Falcon095 on 06 April 2009
The Anarchyz said:
BengaBenga said:
The Anarchyz said:
BengaBenga said:
The Anarchyz said:
It's true that publishers care more about software sales than attach rate, etc.

Now, how much 3rd party software the Wii, PS3 and 360 have sold? that's the real question here because 3rd party publishers don't win anything knowing that Wii can sell the hell out of 1st party games, same with PS3 or 360, unless they're measuring the genres... 3rd parties care about how much 3rd party software can sell on the consoles...

 

According to Iwata Wii sold more 3rd party software in 2008 than either 360 or PS3.

 

It's possible, but i didn't see the numbers (total sales, total games, average sales/games, etc.), just the statement...

It's not just possible. If Iwata makes that statement it's true and backed by facts. By law he is required to share correct information that could influence the share. So despite not having the numbers, we know that Wii sells most 3rd party software of all consoles. Despite usually being left out on the big ones like in 2008 GTA, MGS4 and Fallout 3.

 

 

Correct information is relative, for example, when you say "i sell more merchandise than the other stores" but you have in your store all kinds of products and all of them sell low, of course the totals look more than a store that has a few kinds of products but most of them are hits...

That's why i like to see numbers, tomorrow Sony can come up and say "we have more companies backing us" and that could be true, only that the majority of those companies are mediocre and MS or Ninty can live without them...

I'm not bashing Wii, i love the system and i'm a Nintendo fan since the NES, i just like to see down to earth facts backed up by real statistics (probably it's in my nature since it's part of what i do) instead of simple statements that can mean 2 or more things...

While i get what you say i don't see how could this have a different meaning or what could be the "real" information, besides, i haven't seen Iwata doing something like that so i think he is trusable. I do think that they should show the numbers, it should have a pretty good amount of information.

 



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frybread on 06 April 2009

2 The Wii has more than double the HW out shouldnt it have a better Ratio like the 360 does?

 

You don't understand statistics.

 

Wii has double the HW, so it sells more software.  Period.

If I made a console tomorrow along with 20 crappy flash games, and sold them all to my brother, my console would have the highest tie ratio in history.

 

I don't believe a #1 selling console has ever had the best tie ratio.  Lesser-known enthusiast consoles usually win for tie ratio, like the Xbox 180 or the Neo Geo.



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BengaBenga on 06 April 2009
The Anarchyz said:
BengaBenga said:
The Anarchyz said:
BengaBenga said:
The Anarchyz said:
It's true that publishers care more about software sales than attach rate, etc.

Now, how much 3rd party software the Wii, PS3 and 360 have sold? that's the real question here because 3rd party publishers don't win anything knowing that Wii can sell the hell out of 1st party games, same with PS3 or 360, unless they're measuring the genres... 3rd parties care about how much 3rd party software can sell on the consoles...

 

According to Iwata Wii sold more 3rd party software in 2008 than either 360 or PS3.

 

It's possible, but i didn't see the numbers (total sales, total games, average sales/games, etc.), just the statement...

It's not just possible. If Iwata makes that statement it's true and backed by facts. By law he is required to share correct information that could influence the share. So despite not having the numbers, we know that Wii sells most 3rd party software of all consoles. Despite usually being left out on the big ones like in 2008 GTA, MGS4 and Fallout 3.

 

 

Correct information is relative, for example, when you say "i sell more merchandise than the other stores" but you have in your store all kinds of products and all of them sell low, of course the totals look more than a store that has a few kinds of products but most of them are hits...

That's why i like to see numbers, tomorrow Sony can come up and say "we have more companies backing us" and that could be true, only that the majority of those companies are mediocre and MS or Ninty can live without them...

I'm not bashing Wii, i love the system and i'm a Nintendo fan since the NES, i just like to see down to earth facts backed up by real statistics (probably it's in my nature since it's part of what i do) instead of simple statements that can mean 2 or more things...

 

This statement can really only be interpreted in one way. The total amount of 3rd party software sold on Wii is higher than the amount on 360 and PS3.

What makes this even more of an achievement is the fact that most of the big hits are not on Wii and Nintendo is also by far the biggest 1st party software seller, meaning that Wii owners buy loads of software.

The amount of games published in 2008 is a little bit higher on Wii than on 360/PS3, but in total the amount is lower than 360. So maybe the average sales per game are a little lower on Wii, but the spread is less skewed by big sellers like GTA4, MGS4 and Fallout 3.



Zlejedi on 06 April 2009
BengaBenga said:
Is it Crazzy day today or something?

Since Wii is selling much faster than PS3 the average time of ownership is much lower. It's evident that the longer someone owns a system the more games that person will buy.

Besides it's amazing that Wii has a higher attach rate than PS3, since PS3 is supposed to be a very hardcore system which should lead to a much higher attach rate than the casual Wii.

How ?

That's not how average numbers work.

If you sold 5 Wii 24 months ago, 5 of them 12 months ago and 5 of them 6 months ago then average time of ownership is 14 months.

If you sold 1 PS3 24 months ago, 1 of them 12 months ago and one of them 6 months ago then average time of ownership.

So unless you have calculated this based on the sales numbers in your database you can't say that.  Really I haven't expected error such as this from one of people running sale charts website.

 



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waron on 06 April 2009

well most wii games are missing sales numbers so we really can't tell what is the reall HW to SW ratio - till 31.12.2008 312.22mln wii retail games were shipped and vgchartz is showing only 254mln(yeah i know those are sold-to-customer numbers, but it's really hard to believe that 60mln games were floating in the air at the same time).



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BengaBenga on 06 April 2009
Zlejedi said:
BengaBenga said:
Is it Crazzy day today or something?

Since Wii is selling much faster than PS3 the average time of ownership is much lower. It's evident that the longer someone owns a system the more games that person will buy.

Besides it's amazing that Wii has a higher attach rate than PS3, since PS3 is supposed to be a very hardcore system which should lead to a much higher attach rate than the casual Wii.

How ?

That's not how average numbers work.

If you sold 5 Wii 24 months ago, 5 of them 12 months ago and 5 of them 6 months ago then average time of ownership is 14 months.

If you sold 1 PS3 24 months ago, 1 of them 12 months ago and one of them 6 months ago then average time of ownership.

So unless you have calculated this based on the sales numbers in your database you can't say that.  Really I haven't expected error such as this from one of people running sale charts website.

 

Yes, in your example you're right, but if you calculate it with the real numbers you'll find out that I'm right on this one.

What you ignore in your calculation is that Wii's sales are increasing, which means the average time of ownership decreases. PS3's sales are decreasing, which means an increase in average time of ownership.

 

If Wii sells 500 for a year and now 600 for a year the average time of ownership obviously decreases

 



Zlejedi on 06 April 2009

Ok if you have this done on real numbers then you are right :)



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Alby_da_Wolf on 06 April 2009

I blame WiiFit!
But, more seriously, PS3 and XB360 rely more on hardcore gamers, that buy more games, and also on more games that have a single player experience with a beginning and a end, once finished, the player may continue on multiplayer, if the game has an appealing one, or buy another good enough single player game, this is quite sure to increase tie ratio.
OTOH Wii has WiiSports from the start and a lot of other games with massive replayability and party gaming value, you can defy yourself or your friends more time without "exhausting" a game.
I can say this for my personal experience with Intellivision, in more than 15 years I used it more or less intensely, I bought a lot less games than for the PC in 12 years (before 1997 I hadn't a PC at home, I played PC games at the University): my PC games are almost all mainly single player, but for the Intellivision I had some single player and enough dual and/or single player ones that lasted me really a lot.



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frybread on 06 April 2009
BengaBenga said:

 

Yes, in your example you're right, but if you calculate it with the real numbers you'll find out that I'm right on this one.

What you ignore in your calculation is that Wii's sales are increasing, which means the average time of ownership decreases. PS3's sales are decreasing, which means an increase in average time of ownership.

 

If Wii sells 500 for a year and now 600 for a year the average time of ownership obviously decreases

 

Excellent point.

 

To sum it up, new owners have fewer games than long time owners.   PS3 sales are going down (year over year), meaning more long-time owners, Wii sales are going up (YOY), meaning more new owners.

 



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Zlejedi on 06 April 2009

Actually speaking about attachment ratios why are they so extremly low ?

While of course not everyone is like me I already have 6 new PS3 games , and around 6-8 PS2 games (not counting second hand ones) and I own both those consoles for less than 12 months.

Yet 8-12 games is considered as extremly high and succesfull ? Are there really people who buy video game system and spent years playing 2 or 3 same games?



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