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leo-j said:
I agree it is too soon. Blu-ray has a much better picture than a normal dvd even on an sd tv.

Christ Almighty, no it doesn't. You can take a jpeg (or Bitmap if it makes you feel better) and downscale each one... They're virtually indistinguisable. DVD is already taking advantage of 480i to its full potential. Upscaling makes it look so much better (but only on an HDTV).

This post and its stupidity makes my head hurt. If you want real information (instead of stupid fanboy notions), go here:

http://www.avsforums.com/

Those guys will tell you whether you're wrong or you're right (and trust me, you're wrong). 




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@topic: You know, it's funny because some movies I am really excited to see on Bluray (300, Planet Earth, etc.) but comedies and most drama I will just get the DVD. I think that both can be sustainable for a few year until cost of TV's, players, and Discs (most important) get cheaper. I love the Bluray movies I have though, which surprised me, I didn't think I would care.

It's too early, and too expensive.

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I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

High-def has notched up another milestone, with combined Blu-ray and HD DVD disc sales overtaking VHS during the first half of 2007. See link below.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Industry_Trends/High-Def_Disc_Sales/Blu-ray,_HD_DVD_Overtake_VHS_in_Sales/845

When I first saw this story I though it was a joke! But turns out it is real!

LOL



tmbh said:
High-def has notched up another milestone, with combined Blu-ray and HD DVD disc sales overtaking VHS during the first half of 2007. See link below.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Industry_Trends/High-Def_Disc_Sales/Blu-ray,_HD_DVD_Overtake_VHS_in_Sales/845

When I first saw this story I though it was a joke! But turns out it is real!

LOL

It may be real but it's still a joke. Retailers moved over 90% of their shelves to DVD years ago and the fact they they're now moving that 10% to HD-DVD or Blu-ray is still a joke.




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Suddenly the reality sinks in that putting Blu-Ray in the PS3 wasn't as clever a manuver as some had hoped for, either for the PS3 game console or the fledgling Blu-Ray format. It's a lose lose.

In the end, it seems neither format is going to win this war, at least not for another half a decade. All this time Sony hopefuls had danced gleefully around the fire waiting to serve up the spoils of the felled HD-DVD format marching around what ever internet statistic they could dig up to feed their fevered ambitions, but what really has happened is what the realists knew would occur all along, it would end in an uneventful and luke warm stailmate.



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I think if you plot DVD sales over the same period you will probably an even greater decline. Now for the magic... I predict that sales of all 3 formats will increase over the next few months as summer block busters get released and we move towards the holiday season. Anyone want to bet against me?



Maybe sony should have released a normal DVD-drive PS3 for like $349 and then they could have released the PS4 in 2011 with a blu-ray drive for $399 and actually accomplished something.
It's just a shame that people try to justify the Blu-ray in the PS3 by saying, "You NEED 25-50 gigs!! Look at all these PS3 games that have 4 gigs for each level!"
I wonder if they have 4 gigs for each level because the company didn't even BOTHER compressing data, or they actually needed that space.


z64dan said:
Maybe sony should have released a normal DVD-drive PS3 for like $349 and then they could have released the PS4 in 2011 with a blu-ray drive for $399 and actually accomplished something.
It's just a shame that people try to justify the Blu-ray in the PS3 by saying, "You NEED 25-50 gigs!! Look at all these PS3 games that have 4 gigs for each level!"
I wonder if they have 4 gigs for each level because the company didn't even BOTHER compressing data, or they actually needed that space.

no you dont want to bring that up, you'll definitely get the usual reply like; look at this game or that game, or kojima say MGS4 only fit on BR. WE NEED THE EXTRA SPACE!!!!!(sorry with the cap)



another common reply to saying we need the extra space is: "when you compress data the quality of the picture and the sound go down... don't you want the best experience money can buy?"



euclid said:
another common reply to saying we need the extra space is: "when you compress data the quality of the picture and the sound go down... don't you want the best experience money can buy?"

Okay, I know you aren't saying this. I just am going to say, for those who may believe what he is quoting people as saying:

::Very Math Oriented::

::Wiki Article::

::Wiki Article on an easy to understand Lossless algorithm::

Lossless compression is REAL. It is a mathematical truth, and especially in anything digital, lossless compression is cheap and easy.

I was going to have an example here, but it took up too much space. There is a good example on the Huffman page (link #3).

In any case I am not saying this to you euclid. Just to those who might believe what he was saying some people believe.

 

And then, On-Topic:

I definitely think that neither HD format will win.  The vast majority of people are fine with DVD for now, and a LOT i think will move to downloadable content.  Its easier, more convenient, and frankly its good enough.  The media companies seem to agree with me also: there's a reason all the music labels are so worried about Apple becoming too strong with iTMS.  There's a reason NBC is trying to get some additional money.  They are worried about the ease with which alternative entertainment to them can be found/made popular when they are not in control of how we get our media.

 It is in the media companies' best interests for us to all be on physical mediums.  The barrier to entry will be higher, the cost of distribution is several orders of magnitude higher, etc.  Not only that, but copyleft culture (for example, the Creative Commons) becomes MUCH more of a threat when they are not in control of the primary means of distribution.  The media companies want you going through them for everything.

 Just like they've admitted is the case with DRM, it isn't about protecting their content.  It is about controlling you, the consumer.  It is about controlling what you see and what you watch it on.  If they tell you anything else, it is a lie.



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