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ok stop it... anyone saying anybody should be pulling out of any of the 3 major market... is a a ungifted brain damage disabled intelectualy incapicated retard.... you can put me 2 million ban points on that one... I'm still dead right... and any business person will confirm that.. the idea is just conceptualy retarded.. do we really have to keep that non argument non intelectual non logical BS going ?? just lock that post it's retarded.. it's a no brainer.... does it cost money to MS and and PS... yeah but that's not the issue.. that's not the question stated in that post.... and that OP question is stupid and doesn't need discussion...



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BTFeather55 said:
NightAntilli said:
BTFeather55 said:
Dark Chaos said:
So by your logic SONY should pull out of the Americas considering they are getting pummeled there???

love how SONY fanboys love to jump on the 360 when its not selling well. It has been a huge accomplishment for 360 in Japan. From the last gen:
XBOX = 500 000
PS2= 23 000 000 + more
Thats a 1:46 ratio for every Xbox sold in comparison to the PS2

Now
X360 = 1 000 000
PS3 = 3 000 000
Thats a 1:3 ratio for ever X360 sold for ever PS3

You are calling that a failure. Then the PS3 must be a bigger failure in your eyes as well.

 

      No, the PS3 has had several games that have sold over 1 million copies in the US.  How many games has the 360 had that have sold over 250,000 in Japan?

That's comparing oranges and apples. You can't sell more games than there are consoles. If you want to approach it, do it by % of games sold per system unit

 

 

 no, the best way to approach it is quantitatively.  If the Japanese really wanted them, then they would have bought more 360's and the games for it.  It doesn't matter what a certain percentage of the console's owners have decided to buy.

Sorry but no. You say there are games of the PS3 that sold over a million in US, but no game sold more than 250.000 in japan on the X360. First of all, you are comparing different countries, which means different wealth, different prices, different amount of people, and a different market and desires. Second, you are comparing 8-10 million PS3 units vs 1 million X360 units. So you can not compare it like that. You can compare quantities if you're in the same country or region. You can't compare the amount of games sold in one country who has 8 times as much console units as the other country. That's simply not logical and simply false. If you really need to see how the games are selling, you need to do it by percentage per sold console. Then you see on which console the games are actually selling better. Wanting to know how good the games are selling has nothing to do with the amount of consoles, at least, not if you define it as how many people that have to console actually buy the game. I mean, if there's 1 million console owners, and it sells 250.000 copies, that's pretty good. because 1 in 4 people have that game. But if there's 8 million console owners, and it sells 1 million, it's not really that great compared to the other one, because 1 in 8 people have the game.

 



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However you spin it, fact is the 360 bombed hard in Japan.

With tons of exclusive (mediocre but still) JRPG which didn't sell 1 million combined, it didn't manage to sell 1 million consoles yet in Japan, while PS3 is already at 3 millions while costing twice as much and arriving one year later .

Right now the PS3 outsells 360 4:1 in Japan, that's an amazing gap considering all the efforts made by microsoft in this region. I think Japanese people really hate microsoft because they like quality products and they hate their bad business practices too (paying for online play, nickel and dime for everything, and so on).

The 360 is all but dead in Japan, but no, of course MS won't pull from this country since it wouldn't make sense : selling 5k consoles a week is still better than nothing. Still, it's a very humiliating failure for MS.
PS3 is now selling even more than the Wii in Japan week after week, so in the long run, it could follow the path of the PS2 and take back the first place, but it will be hard since Wii focus is on the casual gamers. Anyway, I think Sony is happy with the japanese sales right now, especially since PSP sells a lot too (more than 45 million consoles sold worldwide is quite impressive).



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FastFord58 said:

You forget that Japanese devs are pondering breaking into the western markets as they grow bigger. So there is a disparity in Japan; who cares? The big money is in NA and EU and that means multiplat even if a game sells like ass in Japan on 360.

Japan is such a miniscule part of the big picture anymore. It doesn't really make sense to give that region as much weight as we did in the last generations. Their games are mostly a dying breed. Save for just a few benchmark titles, game making really is a dying and antiquated art over there. I would go so far as to say they are becoming game makers for a very niche market because they refuse to adapt to a changing market.

MS has arguably shown better advances in Japan this generation than the other 2 established brands. It wouldn't make sense for them to pull out now.

Totally agree with the above post and would just simply like to add...  Do they really have a choice to pull out? 

If they pull out now they give up that market not this just generation but each and everyone that follows...  Personally, I don't ever see them winning it (not that they need to) but their presence in the market is a must if they want to 'win' elsewhere.  Aka they need to keep waving their hands in the face of Japanese developers so they do get some exclusives and mutlplatform releases.



 

 



Tim_Duncan said:
However you spin it, fact is the 360 bombed hard in Japan.

With tons of exclusive (mediocre but still) JRPG which didn't sell 1 million combined, it didn't manage to sell 1 million consoles yet in Japan, while PS3 is already at 3 millions while costing twice as much and arriving one year later .

Right now the PS3 outsells 360 4:1 in Japan, that's an amazing gap considering all the efforts made by microsoft in this region. I think Japanese people really hate microsoft because they like quality products and they hate their bad business practices too (paying for online play, nickel and dime for everything, and so on).

The 360 is all but dead in Japan, but no, of course MS won't pull from this country since it wouldn't make sense : selling 5k consoles a week is still better than nothing. Still, it's a very humiliating failure for MS.
PS3 is now selling even more than the Wii in Japan week after week, so in the long run, it could follow the path of the PS2 and take back the first place, but it will be hard since Wii focus is on the casual gamers. Anyway, I think Sony is happy with the japanese sales right now, especially since PSP sells a lot too (more than 45 million consoles sold worldwide is quite impressive).

 

Yeah, it's a shame. At least the 360 only bombed in one region, meanwhile your loved sony console is dead last in two regions and last worldwide =/

Maybe Sony should pull out of the videogame business?

Gosh, the new wave of trolls shitting up the forum to plug in the products of their beloved corporations are sure annoying.





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Tim_Duncan said:
1. However you spin it, fact is the 360 bombed hard in Japan.

2. With tons of exclusive (mediocre but still) JRPG which didn't sell 1 million combined, it didn't manage to sell 1 million consoles yet in Japan, while PS3 is already at 3 millions while costing twice as much and arriving one year later .

3. Right now the PS3 outsells 360 4:1 in Japan, that's an amazing gap considering all the efforts made by microsoft in this region. 4. I think Japanese people really hate microsoft because they like quality products and they hate their bad business practices too (paying for online play, nickel and dime for everything, and so on).

The 360 is all but dead in Japan, but no, of course MS won't pull from this country since it wouldn't make sense : selling 5k consoles a week is still better than nothing. Still, it's a very humiliating failure for MS.
PS3 is now selling even more than the Wii in Japan week after week, so in the long run, it could follow the path of the PS2 and take back the first place, but it will be hard since Wii focus is on the casual gamers. Anyway, I think Sony is happy with the japanese sales right now, especially since PSP sells a lot too 5. (more than 45 million consoles sold worldwide is quite impressive).

So much fail.... overloading my systems.... where to begin!?!?!

1. 360 doubled the total of the original Xbox and the generation still isn't over.  The PS3 if lucky will only see about 45% of the PS2 total.... I don't know about you, but a 100% increase sure beats a 55% decrease.

2. The 360 JRPGs total well over 1 million.  Lost Odyssey sold near 800k itself (quite a good total for a JRPG).  Seriously, at least try to learn the truth before showing your idiocy.

3. WHAT?  3 million vs 1 million is a 4:1 ratio?  Errrrmm... does not compute.

4. Wait you mean like Sony's shitty PS1 and PS2 that had a huge plethora of issues, and how Sony did everything in their power to abuse their monopoly the last 2 generations before this one?  Oh and remember how Sony released HOME to nickel and dime PS3 users in an attempt to make up for costs of having "free" online play?  $1 per digital outfit?  $5 for digital furniture?  Pfffttt....

Oh and remember how Sony charges developers for bandwidth usage on the PSN?

5.  Oh yes, selling 45 million "handhelds" sure is impressive after 5 years on the market and at a considerably lower price than consoles.  Oh wait, 45 million for a handhelf after 5 years is an utter failure.  Look at the DS.  It's sold more than twice as much and is at 100 million in the same time frame.  The PSP sales suck.

Now STFU.  You aren't even good at being the fanboy you try to be.

 



Considering that Nintendo has been the only real company that has been able to have any sort of success in the handheld gaming market for a long while, 45 million PSPs sold is pretty good. When it was released, I believe it was roughly the same or more than the home consoles (PS2/GCN/XBOX), so it's not like it was a cheaper alternative. Really, though, if you want to compare things to Nintendo this gen, every non Nintendo console has more or less sucked in sales.

I didn't buy a DSi.