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What Desroko said.

Even if it is petty theft - and I'll admit I participate - and it isn't as bad as murder or whatever, it's still wrong.

I'm more concerned about entertainment ceasing to exist, such as a movie not being made, or a music artist quitting, or a videogame developer being closed simply because enough people decided said entertainment wasn't worth paying for...even though they still got their enjoyment out of it.



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I know it's illegal, and i would really love to buy albums sometimes, but from where i am there are very few music stores who doesn't sell albums i like ( i'm a brazilian who likes american rap, so i was kinda expecting that =P)

Then one day i was in another city, bigger and better than mine and asked for a old kanye west cd, Late Registration, the lady said 50 bucks and i was like wtf ? I would love to, but no thanks.

But i'm really planning on buying The Carter III on internet or wherever i can get a good price, i hope i find it.




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Neos said:
ben, watch the south park episode where kenny downloads some song and then the whole government is on them

more proof the stars have enough money already through playing at concerts.
I'm gonna go with the UK music scene here. I know that may be true of a band like U2, where their album income, is nowhere near their tour income. But for artists which either only play in the UK, or rarely tour at all, then low album/single sales can be devastating. This goes for Top 40 artists aswell you fit those criteria. And I agree with Ben, the Iraq war etc. may be a lot more morally wrong but that doesn't make yoher stuff right. Although I disagree in that I think pirating music is the worst thing, because it can stop up and coming artists, and it is harder to pirate movies and games, and the amount of data is larger.

 



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I'm sure by now everybody knows it's a crime. However the law needs to be updated, even things such as ripping songs from a cd you purchased to put on your ipod or burn onto a cd for your car are illegal, although I believe they are changing those laws now.

The way I see it, if I like a band/song, I'll pay for the album. If I didn't like it enough to buy it but I download it then no one is missing out or losing money. If downloading wasn't available then I wouldn't have paid for it anyway so the artist and record company don't miss out, and I didn't steal from a store so they didn't lose out either.



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So I can see why small, not very popular bands complain, but when bands like Metallica bitch about people listening to their music for free, it gets ridiculous. Every single one of the members are millionaires many times over and if they never recieved another royalty checks in their life, they and their families can live comfortably for a few generations to come.

 

Tell me, also, defenders of the "artist", is it illegal to listen to a friend's CD? Is it illegal to go over to a friends house and put their music they paid for on your iPod? I honestly don't know the answer to this, but even if it is, it's ridiculous.

 

Sony a while back tried to pwn music lovers everywhere by forcing the DRM stuff on people, and luckily that came back to hit them in the face. "Leasing the rights to play the music" is what Sony said they were doing. F-ing ridiculous.

 

 



 

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BenKenobi88 said:

I'm more concerned about entertainment ceasing to exist, such as a movie not being made, or a music artist quitting, or a videogame developer being closed simply because enough people decided said entertainment wasn't worth paying for...even though they still got their enjoyment out of it.

 Thats the thing Ben. I do feel that way about film and videogames. But music doesn't require money to make (asside from the costs of instruments). And you'd never have to worry about people quitting music. For thousands of years people made music regardless of having any money. Infact it's some of the poorest areas where great music has come from. I loves me my Newfoundland and Labrador diddies!

When I imagine a complete and utter music industry collapse, I suddenly see music opening up like never before. Local musicians playing around town, music catching on over the internet based on the quality of the music, not the amount of the advertising or top 40 play. Going to another city might find you immerssed in a totally new genre of music. It might not be as convenient for those after their quick pop fix, but damn it would be a wonderful time for music!



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Man, the point of views here are pretty pitiful. Sure, Brittany Spears might have a ton of money but just because a small percentage of bands make a ton of money, doesn't mean that every band is able to live off their music. I listen to plenty of bands that have to keep a day job. Over the next few months, I will easily spend about $500 on CDs and concerts. You're making a conscience decision to spend money on video games and not other items. I will not be buying some games because music is far more of a priority to me than video games.



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BenKenobi88 said:
Just so you know...the stance that "I wouldn't buy this, so I'm not hurting anyone" argument is complete crap.

I don't really care if you download movies or music...I won't claim innocent myself.

But trying to justify it with stuff like that is ridiculous. "Music companies don't get with the times...we're teaching them a lesson about increasing security"...stuff like that. You want music companies to adapt? By "adapt," you mean either "free music" or more DRM and restrictions on downloading and keeping music files. So don't complain about DRM when you're forcing them to do it by torrenting and using Limewire.

Actually it's not crap.  It's been shown statistically that downloading music effects CD buying by a number statistically indistinguishable from zero.

It's a morality issue, not a profit issue.  It costs record companies virtually nothing according to independent studies.  It's the same with all pirating.  Well in areas like this anyway.  It's different in places like Hong Kong where pirated stuff comes free with what you buy.



Music artists get a ton of money because they're A) talented, or B) marketed well...or some combination of A and B.

They're hardly different from movie and videogame companies. Spiderman 3 is crap, but people still buy it, just like people buy Britney Spears cds. Everyone earns their money...it's not your choice to decide if they should have less than they deserve.



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