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Zones on 23 March 2009
nordlead said:
Zones said:

It appears that you have only read the last line of my post, because I see no mention of the first part, but whatever...

And yes, I believe you're right, Mario would be more known in that example of yours, but guess why? More than half of Nintendo's first party games had a "Mario" slapped on, while there were only 4 Crash games on the whole 5th generation of gaming. And the fact that Mario name have been milked for +10 previous years at that time.

But if you compare all 4 Crash Bandicoot games (PSX) to any 4 Mario games (on N64), you would see which would have a higher number. Crash Bandicoot was just about to destroy Mario as the best known mascot, but thank God Sony dropped the name, because regardless of how much I loved the Crash Bandicoot series, I didn't want to live with only a few characters in every game.

 

 

Actually, there were 5 Crash games on PS1, but if you are counting PSX as the PS1 & PS2, then I think you mean these games

Crash Bandicoot
Crash Bandicoot 2
Crash Bandicoot 3: Warped
Crash Bandicoot: Wrath of Cortex
Total = 26.45M

However, restricting Mario to 1 console, while having Crash on 2 is unfair, so I'll pick the 4 games with mario in the title I want.

Super Mario 64
Mario Kart 64
Mario Kart Double Dash
Super Mario Sunshine
Total = 35.00M

so you haven't exactly made a fair comparison since Mario blows crash away.

If we stick to 1 generation only, then it is much closer with Crash getting a slight edge.

PS1 top 4 crash games = 26.31
N64 top 4 Mario games = 26.96

oh wait... Mario beat Crash again

PSX = PSone. I meant PlayStation, not PS1 + PS2 combined.

And you're right, there were 5 Crash games on PSX, but I was only talking about Naughty Dog's Crash Bandicoot games, that's why I said 4, I guess I should have been more specific, my bad.

As for the comparison, you have surely used VGC's numbers, which I doubt they're correct as Sony stated that Naughty Dog has sold more than 30 million Crash Bandicoots. I know that there's no reason to say the same won't be applied to the Mario games, but VGC was not available at that time, so we can't really know unless we use Sony and Nintendo figures, which I think I stand by my statement in that case.

However, my main point is that ND's Crash games had a chance to take Mario as a more known mascot, until Sony dropped the IP.

P.S. All 5 PSX Crash Bandicoot Games > 5 Top N64 Mario Games (Sale Numbers, According to VGC)



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sethnintendo on 23 March 2009

Playstation name used to be strong but the "mighty" have fallen. Anyone can pull cherrypicked numbers from any game, system sold during a period of time, or anything to try and prove their point. Fact is Nintendo makes way more money, has more recognizable characters, and has been around longer in the console business than any company.



Esmoreit on 23 March 2009
Zones said:
nordlead said:
Zones said:

It appears that you have only read the last line of my post, because I see no mention of the first part, but whatever...

And yes, I believe you're right, Mario would be more known in that example of yours, but guess why? More than half of Nintendo's first party games had a "Mario" slapped on, while there were only 4 Crash games on the whole 5th generation of gaming. And the fact that Mario name have been milked for +10 previous years at that time.

But if you compare all 4 Crash Bandicoot games (PSX) to any 4 Mario games (on N64), you would see which would have a higher number. Crash Bandicoot was just about to destroy Mario as the best known mascot, but thank God Sony dropped the name, because regardless of how much I loved the Crash Bandicoot series, I didn't want to live with only a few characters in every game.

 

 

Actually, there were 5 Crash games on PS1, but if you are counting PSX as the PS1 & PS2, then I think you mean these games

Crash Bandicoot
Crash Bandicoot 2
Crash Bandicoot 3: Warped
Crash Bandicoot: Wrath of Cortex
Total = 26.45M

However, restricting Mario to 1 console, while having Crash on 2 is unfair, so I'll pick the 4 games with mario in the title I want.

Super Mario 64
Mario Kart 64
Mario Kart Double Dash
Super Mario Sunshine
Total = 35.00M

so you haven't exactly made a fair comparison since Mario blows crash away.

If we stick to 1 generation only, then it is much closer with Crash getting a slight edge.

PS1 top 4 crash games = 26.31
N64 top 4 Mario games = 26.96

oh wait... Mario beat Crash again

PSX = PSone. I meant PlayStation, not PS1 + PS2 combined.

And you're right, there were 5 Crash games on PSX, but I was only talking about Naughty Dog's Crash Bandicoot games, that's why I said 4, I guess I should have been more specific, my bad.

As for the comparison, you have surely used VGC's numbers, which I doubt they're correct as Sony stated that Naughty Dog has sold more than 30 million Crash Bandicoots. I know that there's no reason to say the same won't be applied to the Mario games, but VGC was not available at that time, so we can't really know unless we use Sony and Nintendo figures, which I think I stand by my statement in that case.

However, my main point is that ND's Crash games had a chance to take Mario as a more known mascot, until Sony dropped the IP.

P.S. All 5 PSX Crash Bandicoot Games > 5 Top N64 Mario Games (Sale Numbers, According to VGC)

This is what we would call cherry picking. You pick a random icon versus Mario in a random amount of numbers. Kinda like the guy above did whilst handsomely leaving out the GBA. Why didn't you chose Snake for instance? Or Krato Why didn't you take 2 generations instead of one?

 



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mesoteto on 23 March 2009

Zones---the blind faith is strong in you young one



 

Zones on 23 March 2009
Esmoreit said:
Zones said:
nordlead said:
Zones said:

It appears that you have only read the last line of my post, because I see no mention of the first part, but whatever...

And yes, I believe you're right, Mario would be more known in that example of yours, but guess why? More than half of Nintendo's first party games had a "Mario" slapped on, while there were only 4 Crash games on the whole 5th generation of gaming. And the fact that Mario name have been milked for +10 previous years at that time.

But if you compare all 4 Crash Bandicoot games (PSX) to any 4 Mario games (on N64), you would see which would have a higher number. Crash Bandicoot was just about to destroy Mario as the best known mascot, but thank God Sony dropped the name, because regardless of how much I loved the Crash Bandicoot series, I didn't want to live with only a few characters in every game.

 

 

Actually, there were 5 Crash games on PS1, but if you are counting PSX as the PS1 & PS2, then I think you mean these games

Crash Bandicoot
Crash Bandicoot 2
Crash Bandicoot 3: Warped
Crash Bandicoot: Wrath of Cortex
Total = 26.45M

However, restricting Mario to 1 console, while having Crash on 2 is unfair, so I'll pick the 4 games with mario in the title I want.

Super Mario 64
Mario Kart 64
Mario Kart Double Dash
Super Mario Sunshine
Total = 35.00M

so you haven't exactly made a fair comparison since Mario blows crash away.

If we stick to 1 generation only, then it is much closer with Crash getting a slight edge.

PS1 top 4 crash games = 26.31
N64 top 4 Mario games = 26.96

oh wait... Mario beat Crash again

PSX = PSone. I meant PlayStation, not PS1 + PS2 combined.

And you're right, there were 5 Crash games on PSX, but I was only talking about Naughty Dog's Crash Bandicoot games, that's why I said 4, I guess I should have been more specific, my bad.

As for the comparison, you have surely used VGC's numbers, which I doubt they're correct as Sony stated that Naughty Dog has sold more than 30 million Crash Bandicoots. I know that there's no reason to say the same won't be applied to the Mario games, but VGC was not available at that time, so we can't really know unless we use Sony and Nintendo figures, which I think I stand by my statement in that case.

However, my main point is that ND's Crash games had a chance to take Mario as a more known mascot, until Sony dropped the IP.

P.S. All 5 PSX Crash Bandicoot Games > 5 Top N64 Mario Games (Sale Numbers, According to VGC)

This is what we would call cherry picking. You pick a random icon versus Mario in a random amount of numbers. Kinda like the guy above did whilst handsomely leaving out the GBA. Why didn't you chose Snake for instance? Or Krato Why didn't you take 2 generations instead of one?

I didn't because Crash Bandicoot is THE ONLY mascot Sony has ever had, why would I use the 6th generation Crash Games if they weren't developed/published by Sony? And why would I choose Snake if the character was never exclusive to Sony.

And okay, don't leave any number, compare the 5 Sony's Crash Bandicoot games with 5 Nintendo's Mario games on the 5th generation of gaming, and you can see that Crash is the top seller. Now of you are asking me why only on 5th generation, because Crash Bandicoot was a Sony IP at that time, and Sony used Crash Bandicoot in almost everywhere possible when they were advertising the system, so you could call Crash Bandicoot a mascot, but you can't say the same to Snake or Kratos.

Now, if you are going to tell me that we should compare all Crash games versus all Mario games of 5th generation, then yes, we should, and Mario would win in that case. But have I have ever claimed that Crash was/is more popular than Mario? I don't think I did.

 



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mesoteto on 23 March 2009

Zones---"The only mascot Sony had was Crash Bandicoot, and guess what? It raped Mario" wait but i thought you said..but sad you....huh funny how that works
b/c you just said

"But have I have ever claimed that Crash was/is more popular than Mario? I don't think I did."

but before you said....man you need to keep your story straight



 

Seece on 23 March 2009

Somebody really is clutching at straws ...



 

Zones on 23 March 2009
mesoteto said:
Zones---"The only mascot Sony had was Crash Bandicoot, and guess what? It raped Mario" wait but i thought you said..but sad you....huh funny how that works
b/c you just said

"But have I have ever claimed that Crash was/is more popular than Mario? I don't think I did."

but before you said....man you need to keep your story straight

LOL!

Because I actually wrote that "except for people that think rape = more popular" I deleted that part because I thought it was unnecessary since I thought people would read my posts more clearly.

I stated that Mario would be better known even at that time in one of my posts here, so I sure know what I am talking about.

I was talking about sales when I used the word 'rape', because I am sure if you compare all Crash Bandicoot games with the same number of Mario games at that time, Crash Bandicoot would win.

The 5 PSX Crash Bandicoot = 29.67 - According to VGC.

The Top 5 Mario of the same generation = 29.28 - According to VGC.

I hope you do realise that there were Mario games available on GameBoy at that time, and considering that Mario was around for +10 years, I don't think any sane person would say Crash Bandicoot was more popular, I know I didn't.

 

 



kjj4t9rdad on 23 March 2009
Onyxmeth said:

Hmmm...let's look at the possibility of maybe a stronger brand name. I give you the word "Wii". Here are the sales of various items under the branding "Wii".

Nintendo Wii console=49 million consoles sold
Wii Sports=44 million copies sold
Wii Play=22.5 million copies sold
Mario Kart Wii=15 million copies sold
Wii Fit=17 million copies sold
Wii Music=2.5 million copies sold
Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree=3 million copies sold

Soon to be added...Wii Sports Resort

Let's forget all that for a minute and just say Playstation is the strongest brand. Here are the reasonings:

1. Excuses involving price to explain away lame sales to show it is a strong brand

2. Anecdotal evidence involving random people associating videogaming with the word "Playstation"

3. To be continued later in this thread I'm sure

4. Reserved for the next lame excuse presented after the #3 spot gets filled

DId I miss anything? Gosh, now that I look at the reasoning, Playstation sure does sound the strongest. It's so strong in fact that it's pushing a healthy third place behind lame brand names nobody can remember like Microwho and Nintenwhat.

You are hell bent on changing the OP's opinion aren't you? 

Sales are not the only indicator of strong brand name.  The Wii's success is not due to brand name! Nobody new what a "Wii" was 2 years ago.  Nintendo hasn't been the strongest since the SNES.  Launch the Wii @ $500 & $600 and lets see if it would see 21 million in 2 years.  My thoughts are NO.

The games you listed all sold well, but they are all pretty pethitic games IMO.  Mario Kart is a great game but a 5 year old can beat the game in just a few days.  Nobody, except for a very young child, would consider any of the games you listed, good games.

btw, with the exception of Wii sports, i can simply replace every Nintendo thing you listed and replace it with PS2 things and all of those #'s go up.  Sony has kicked the crap out of Nintendo, Sega, M$ and anyone else in the console industry since joining with the exception of the last 2 years.  So basicly that's 20 plus years of Sony dominance vs. 2years of Nitendo dominance.  It is your argument that is lame, not any price excuses as you call them.

 



mesoteto on 23 March 2009

^epic fail--seeing as i am 24 and at least 4 of those games i have played and at least 3 i have enjoyed and still play-----epic fail on you sir

 

 

@Zones----back peddle much?