starcraft said: Diomedes1976 said: Starcraft ,please ..... There is ZERO anecdotal evidence about MGSIV coming to the 360 .The only evidence is that fucking Kojima san himself showed in the Sony booths in both E3 and Leipzig GC and stated that the game was exclusive for the PS3 .And when the rumours were more insistent about a 360 announcement he just came to scene and announced another MGSIV game (Online ) exclusively for PS3 .IF you call anecdotal evidence to some posters in xbox blogs saying it will come and that their insider sources tell so.......well you can comfort in the rumours while we enjoy the game .For gods sake ,Peter Moore himself the master of FUD and BS said that MGSIV woulndt appear in the 360 .Now I see ,Kojima himself says its exclusive to the PS3 and appears in Sony booths in most game conventions ,Moore says it wont appear in their system ,but your "anecdotal evidence " issued from some xbox blogs with obscure rumours and reasonings over nothing (as ...360 as more userbase so then the game should appear on 360 ....after that logic it should appear in PS2 ,DS and Wii that are the consoles that sell the most ) weights more for you .As I said ,be happy with the rumours ,that all you will get from this game without a PS3 . Bioshock ,on the other hand ,is another thing .In addition to the same rumours about it coming to the PS3 as with MGSIV you have some additional hints .First Moore himself said at E3 that Bioshock was exclusive "this year " ,second the game was originally scheduled to appear on PS3 ,third 2K publishes all their games on Sony plattforms ,fourth there was a PS3 build that some people as gametrailers and playfrance actually saw running as early as january this year .Fifht the PC demo actually mentions a PS3 version .Etc etc Firstly, can you provide a link to where Peter Moore Said it wouldn't be on the 360? Secondly, Kojima has absolutely no say whatsoever whether or not MGS4 comes to the 360. The IP is owned fully by Konami and they are open to having it on other platforms as you can see at the following links. http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=126368 http://au.gamespot.com/news/6176240.html Thirdly, Konami's head of operations stated that "Since Metal Gear Solid was born for the PlayStation, we would like to keep it a PlayStation game. But we might have to take some steps." Fourth, HMV recently listed a 360 version of MGS4. Admittedely they later admitted a mistake, but its a fairly substantial mistake to make if a version doesnt exist. http://au.gamespot.com/news/6176240.html Fifth, at no point did i or anyone else above state that "anecdotal evidence" had anything to do with your so called 'xbots'. Sixth, Ken Levine from 2k recently came out and said that they have an exclusive contract with Microsoft, and no MGS4 exclusivity contract has ever been mentioned by Konami. http://kotaku.com/gaming/denied/levine-there-will-be-no-ps3-bioshock-293304.php Seventh, is the swearing really neccessary? You are the definition of a troll

In the dictionary the word troll is next to a photo of you so dont try to change things .Peter Moore effectively said they had tried to get FF and MGS but that some companies had their own reasons and loyalties and if they didnt want to bring the games there was little to nothing they could do about it .Some posters here can confirm you the Moore declarations ,but if you want to read it for yourself I will provide you not one but a ton of links to the declarations :http://www.gamersreports.com/news/6095/peter-moore-confirms-mgs4-will-stay-ps3-exclusive/http://akihabarablues.com/?p=1356Well ,I am short of time right now .I will post more ,and respond more appropiately to your "arguements " later ...

 

I remember reading a Kotaku interview with Peter Moore around E3 where he says that they probably won't be getting MGS4 on the 360 or something to that effect.

Diomedes1976 said:In the dictionary the word troll is next to a photo of you so dont try to change things .

Oh no he didn't!

I see too MGS4 coming on Xbo360 but really later, let's say at the end of 2008.

I dont see FFXIII on Xbox360

starcraft said: Mummelmann said: As soon as PS3 sales pick up, there'll be no more talk of this. MS can want all they like, but not all dev's can be bought. And having a close realtionship to a company like EA is hardly going to inspire trust and respect from consumers... The PS3 has no system-selling software until March, at which point MGS4 itself is meant to move the console. Do you truly believe that it will sell enough to make the game significantly profitable? "Not all devs can be bought," this implies that somehow Sony have the moral highground in the console business. Between claiming that "next-gen starts when we say it does," saying they dont buy exclusivity and then doing it anyway, and trojan-horsing blu-ray, i'd say that MS and Sony are as bad as eachother. Also, you seem to mistakenly believe that the majority of gamers dont like EA. How many of the 160 million gamers from last gen do you think read forums and dislike EA. To this day they are the biggest third party on the planet, and they are only getting bigger.

 Asian dev's have proven to be harder to coerce into working solely for MS, or even giving them sigificant multiplats (FF among others). Sony do business in other ways than MS. I'm sure they have their fair share of skeletons in the closet, but EVERYONE knows that MS' prime tactic is to buy what they cannot beat with their products. As for EA; yes, they are getting bigger, and that's a good thing?! I think most hardcore gamers, such as those who frequent sites like this, understand that companies like EA do more harm than good and if anything they lower the overall quality of todays games! They work with similar tactics as MS, buy those you cannot force out of the way with a better product. There's a heap of good gaming dev's that EA bought, then they disbanded them after taking the best programmers (which then quit shortly after anyways). Westwood is one of these companies.

And why do you mind BluRay? I think it's great with the possibilites of high storage capacity, and many programmers seem to agree with me! (There are those who don't as well, but they're mostly the ones NOT programming for PS3...). MS said all along that we don't need the HD formats on consoles, but then they released the HDDVD add-on for 360. Why? "Here, an add-on you will never need..." And when they claim that their console is the PS3's equal in all things HD, it'd be natural that they used a format that IS HD, right? DVD is not HD, upscaled HD is just that; upscaled HD. 

PS: 160 million gamers? Where do you get that number from? Do you know how many people play games on PC's? And those who do play on PC's, are extra balefull towards EA, since they tend to destroy companies that make good PC games.

Dreams, ms dream.

FF13 NEVER, SE games using the UT3 engine are PS3/360

MGS4 will come long after its irrelevant.

Lafiel said: To excahnge opinions on whether or not MGS4 and FFXIII come to the 360 after every "rumor" or "hint" has become boring and obsolete and for your own brain health I suggest everyone who reads this thread to just forget about the topic until there is some hard facts , like an official announcement.

 

look, this is the easiest way to look at it.

which format would Metal Gear Solid sell more on? and thats where you'll find your answer. Konami have already informed Sony about this. and soon all will be revealed.

Final Fantasy XIII on the 360 will just not happen, no matter what Jeff Bell thinks.

MGS4 will most likely go, but long after it's no longer important to Sony and the port won't be done by Kojima. Konami will have to do it themselves.

Jeff Bell is also full of crap. Dragon Quest and Kingdom Hearts are major franchises and are not going to the 360. Jeff Bell may want S-E to put their best games on the 360 but it isn't going to happen.

vizunary said: Takashii said: @Leo-j Shouldn't you be in school...lol @Demidoes First Kojima does not have any say to whether that franchise should be on a particular platform. Konami does, not Kojima. Everyone believes that since Kojima has his own development team that he makes the decision. Considering Konami publishes the game. Konami president is the one that makes the decision and if the Konami marketing or president thinks it should be on the 360, then it should.    so Spielberg and Lucas have no say where their movies end up? who decided when Star Wars came to DVD? nuff said.

 

Uh, Lucas OWNS the Star Wars IP.

Mummelmann said: starcraft said: Mummelmann said: As soon as PS3 sales pick up, there'll be no more talk of this. MS can want all they like, but not all dev's can be bought. And having a close realtionship to a company like EA is hardly going to inspire trust and respect from consumers... The PS3 has no system-selling software until March, at which point MGS4 itself is meant to move the console. Do you truly believe that it will sell enough to make the game significantly profitable? "Not all devs can be bought," this implies that somehow Sony have the moral highground in the console business. Between claiming that "next-gen starts when we say it does," saying they dont buy exclusivity and then doing it anyway, and trojan-horsing blu-ray, i'd say that MS and Sony are as bad as eachother. Also, you seem to mistakenly believe that the majority of gamers dont like EA. How many of the 160 million gamers from last gen do you think read forums and dislike EA. To this day they are the biggest third party on the planet, and they are only getting bigger. Asian dev's have proven to be harder to coerce into working solely for MS, or even giving them sigificant multiplats (FF among others). Sony do business in other ways than MS. I'm sure they have their fair share of skeletons in the closet, but EVERYONE knows that MS' prime tactic is to buy what they cannot beat with their products. As for EA; yes, they are getting bigger, and that's a good thing?! I think most hardcore gamers, such as those who frequent sites like this, understand that companies like EA do more harm than good and if anything they lower the overall quality of todays games! They work with similar tactics as MS, buy those you cannot force out of the way with a better product. There's a heap of good gaming dev's that EA bought, then they disbanded them after taking the best programmers (which then quit shortly after anyways). Westwood is one of these companies. And why do you mind BluRay? I think it's great with the possibilites of high storage capacity, and many programmers seem to agree with me! (There are those who don't as well, but they're mostly the ones NOT programming for PS3...). MS said all along that we don't need the HD formats on consoles, but then they released the HDDVD add-on for 360. Why? "Here, an add-on you will never need..." And when they claim that their console is the PS3's equal in all things HD, it'd be natural that they used a format that IS HD, right? DVD is not HD, upscaled HD is just that; upscaled HD. PS: 160 million gamers? Where do you get that number from? Do you know how many people play games on PC's? And those who do play on PC's, are extra balefull towards EA, since they tend to destroy companies that make good PC games.

 I didnt say that EA getting bigger was good, i said that your average gamer doesn't understand that its bad. As for Asian dev's being harder to coerce into exclusivity or major port's....DMC 4, AC 6, Dead Rising, Lost Planet, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Cry On, Virtua Fighter 5 to name just a few.  And where do you get this idea that throwing money around isn't Sony's way of doing things? Why do you think that UT3 and Haze are 2007 exclusives? Why do you think that SE and Konami havent already announced ports of their games? Its because Sony has already paid for exlusivity or timed exclusivity.

As for my point about blu-ray. In the case of most format changes, initial economies of scale increasing burdens have traditionally been shouldered by industry and executive board rooms adopting the technology making it cheaper. In this case, Sony is forcing gamers to take the financial hit for the benefit of the whole community for no good reason other than winning a format war.  Its already been proven that it has no effect on game lenght. (Hello 6 hour HS)