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bardicverse said:
theprof00 said:
bardicverse said:
theprof00 said:
@bardicverse
last time you critisized me because I said 'yeah anti-cheat combats hackers as well as windows updater combats virii'

You said 'der, windows updater is not even related to viruses'

even though windows updater alters some file structures so that command lines in specific viruses dont work.
being called dumb by you is like being called "black" you (EXPLETIVE DELETED) pot

 

1 - you've been reported. well done

2-  I even proved to you that its wasnt, with several links to back it up. You claimed windows updater as an antivirus program, like McAffee, Norton, AVG, etc.

3 - you claimed the hardcore/casual combo in your earlier post, dont go changing it to be "fun". you clearly stated the old nintendo systems as "casual" systems in your post.

-edited for clarification

 

1. cry about it, I've done nothing wrong, again.

2. i never claimed it was an anti-virus program, but i can get the quote if you'd like. I said it could combat viruses and within the context, it said it could not combat viruses as well as some other method.

3. I'm not changing anything. Given the context of things each generation has a hardcore and a casual system. Given the typical dictionary definition of "casual" (showing little concern, without serious intent, informal) we can see that during each of the eras there is always a hardcore vs casual discrepancy.

Although I agree that SNES is not a casual system, it was the casual system when compared to the others. NEOGEO, you had to be serious about having one, there were no ads on tv, graphics were about arcade quality. Genesis was also the casual comparitively if it wasn't for their advertising. you can tell a lot about the demographic when you look at the advertising. Welcome to the next level. <--- targeting enthusiasts.   SNES did not do this.Therefore, on a scale, with hardcore on the right and casual on the left, although all three would be on the right side of the spectrum, Neogeo would have been at the far end, and snes and genesis would have been in the closer together, but far away from Neogeo.

So, as you can see from this simple explanation, which, is no different from my "fun" explanation because neogeo had cutting edge and snes and gen had all the fun games. Fun applies to the more casual console because it appeals to more audiences. Why would you make a system that had fun games expensive? It makes no sense. If you have a cheap system that everyone can buy, then the fun-ness of games will make the attachment rate super high. You either make the cheap console with fun games or the cutting edge at a high price, with shades of gray in between.

But like I said. You're a baby who got defensive because yo thought I said that snes was for casualzz <--- notice the z. Learn to read and comprehend before you get all upset about something I never even said.

 

What is strange is that, usually, changing someone's opinion is the hardest thing to do rather than inform them. Informing people is easy. However, you just can't get through the simple facts and "invented" that I said updater was an anti-virus program. Go back and read the post. You're so desperate to be right that it's pitiful.

 

 

Keep on digging your grave. Now you're saying that core systems are about price? The NeoGeo, for example was aimed at bringing an arcade system to houses, it had nothing to do with enthusiasts, as most NeoGeo games were based on fighting (not to put down Samurai Shodown, one of the best out there). This is why it didn't lure many people in - limited genres of software.

Cost has nothing to do with casual vs core, which was your intital post in the first place, a core and casual system for each gen. You're too young to remember, Im sure, but the initial market WAS casual only - Pong, ColecoVision, Atari 2600, Commodore 64. Nintendo took the industry into the more "core" gamer, and expanded that idea with the SNES.  The PS1 took this core market into another idea, and the PS2 started blending core and casual. Nintendo embraced the younger gen with Pokemon with the N64, and the GC suffered because of coy Sony marketing that was tantamount to mudslinging in a political debate.

Get your facts straight. buying Atari or colecovision was a huge expenditure and not something casually paid for. To help you understand how casual has at least something to do with price take this example. A casual drinker doesn't mind what he drinks too much, an enthusiast is willing to shell out more money for a more expensive drink. This does not mean that the expensive drink is better, just more expensive. The NES introduced affordable gaming. If you get a kid gloves, do you get them a nice 50$ pair, or a 3$ pair knowing that they are probably going to lose them anyway? In this statement are you trying to say ps2 introduced casual back into the equation. rofl.

Your ability to defend your posts is lacking, as you resort to immature terms like calling people a baby, which in turn only proceeds to label yourself with such a terminology. Also, denying or having "voluntary amnesia" on past posts doesn't help you. You defended that earlier conversation about Windows Updater by saying that people do use it instead of a proper antivirus. I simply pointed out that your analogy to anti-cheat ware was improper as the categories used didn't share similar relationships. You went into a tirade in response, defending Windows Updater as a viable antivirus. If you were referring to Windows Defender, I might have been able to give you some credit, as it does (poorly) prevent malware/spyware, but not virii.

No, I said that people don't use proper anti-virus protection because they think windows defender has them covered. Prove to me that that statement is false and you have an argument, but all you are doing is lording yourself over me. you have no point, other than SNES isn't casual which I agree. Except that it is more casual than Neo-Geo.

To sum it up - power/cost does not equal core/enthusiast systems. The type of library specialized does.

Actually it does, because you don't idly spend large sums of money on things that you aren't interested in while there is a much cheaper alternative.

The SNES, which is the only area we seem to agree on, was considered very much as a "core" system, since it has had one of the most impressive RPG libraries on any console. The XB360 is the core system for this gen, with the amount of FPS games available for it. The N64 and PS1 were both core systems. The PS2, XBox and GC were all focused on the core market, tho the PS2 had a section for casuals.

Your idea of core and casual and hardcore is very skewed. You seem to think core is just the games that appear on the system. With that logic, every system is core. (to their own market) It doesn't involve any comparison at all to other consoles and therefore it is just masturbation.

Again, Im simply pointing out the incorrect posting you made, as you weren't around for the full history. You have some growing up to do before people are going to take you seriously.

Eh hem, you are the one running around calling my posts dumb without reasoning other than opinion. good job.

-- Oh, by the way, the GameCube was more powerful than the PS2, and was praised for better looking versions of the Lord of the Rings game than the PS2 or XB version by IGN and Gamespot. Kinda throws out your concept on casual systems.

It was the cheaper system, and was aimed at kids.

This "conversation" is useless. All you care about is being right.

 

 

 

 



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The competition has always brought out the best games by first and second party devs. Sony's determination to beat the Dreamcast brought us some top notch games at that time. Sega's hopes to stay alive saw some of the best arcade to console translations ever and some stellar gaming.

This gen we have seen Gears, Killzone 2, Little Big Planet, Halo, and other top tier titles that are the direct result of each console trying to best the other. Without the competition, these games most certainly wouldn't be the level they are at.

We also wouldn't have $500-800 hardware sold at a significant loss, either which benefits the consumer greatly in their purchasing power.

 

^This. great post.



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It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

Godot said:
bardicverse said:
theprof00 said:
@bardicverse
last time you critisized me because I said 'yeah anti-cheat combats hackers as well as windows updater combats virii'

You said 'der, windows updater is not even related to viruses'

even though windows updater alters some file structures so that command lines in specific viruses dont work.
being called dumb by you is like being called "black" you (EXPLETIVE DELETED) pot

 

1 - you've been reported. well done

2-  I even proved to you that its wasnt, with several links to back it up

3 - you claimed the hardcore/casual combo in your earlier post, dont go changing it to be "fun"

Even so, a console that was really expensive and catered to the cutting edge enthusiasts is hardly what I would call the PS and PS2. N64 and Gamecube were more cutting edge than Sony consoles where.

OT: Sony and MS will never cooperate.

 

Thats why vaio computers use leopard and linux not windows.



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

PC. 'nuff said.



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