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I got these from the x-play website:

"# 1 - Hated it. Do not buy this game. Not even worth the bargain bin. Run from it. Escape!! Escape!!

# 2 - Alright. These games are fun, with some good points, but nothing special. There's definitely a few specific things holding this game back. Wait until the price comes down or pick it up as [a] renter to check out some of the things it does right."


Now which one do you think Rygar deserves?



"Pier was a chef, a gifted and respected chef who made millions selling his dishes to the residents of New York City and Boston, he even had a famous jingle playing in those cities that everyone knew by heart. He also had a restaurant in Los Angeles, but not expecting LA to have such a massive population he only used his name on that restaurant and left it to his least capable and cheapest chefs. While his New York restaurant sold kobe beef for $100 and his Boston restaurant sold lobster for $50, his LA restaurant sold cheap hotdogs for $30. Initially these hot dogs sold fairly well because residents of los angeles were starving for good food and hoped that the famous name would denote a high quality, but most were disappointed with what they ate. Seeing the success of his cheap hot dogs in LA, Pier thought "why bother giving Los Angeles quality meats when I can oversell them on cheap hotdogs forever, and since I don't care about the product anyways, why bother advertising them? So Pier continued to only sell cheap hotdogs in LA and was surprised to see that they no longer sold. Pier's conclusion? Residents of Los Angeles don't like food."

"The so-called "hardcore" gamer is a marketing brainwashed, innovation shunting, self-righteous idiot who pays videogame makers far too much money than what is delivered."

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crap review. No game with graphics, sound and gameplay that are mediocre deserves a one. Heck even big beach sports probably doesn't even deserve one.



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HappySqurriel said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
HappySqurriel said:
Words Of Wisdom said:

An almost unchanged port of a 2002 game? 1/5 seems generous.

I disagree, just because a game was released in 2002 doesn't necessarily make the game bad ... After all, we don't instantly review all Virtual Console games 0/10 because they were released before 2000.

It would be one thing to argue that a game hasn't aged well, and the added Wiimote controlls take something away from the game, and then give the game a 2.5 or 3 out of 5; but usually when you are giving a game a 1/5 it is an unplayable mess, not just a game which you played 7 years ago.

Just because a game "wasn't bad" doesn't make it excusable to repackage it with no worthwhile updates and try to pretend it's a new game.

Seriously, are you so desperate for Wii games that you're willing to accept a port of a 7 year old PS2 game?  I'm not.

X-Play isn't judging it as a new game, they're judging it as a port.  Rygar doesn't deserve a 1/5 because it was a bad PS2 game, it deserves a 1/5 because it offers no new worthwhile features or gameplay (according to the review) compared to the original.

 

I don't care about this game at all, but I think that if reviews are supposed to be an accurate measure on the quality of a game they should review a game based on how high of quality it is and not based on whether the game has been released before.

Basically, if someone has never played your favourite games from the previous generation would you say that they're bad and not worth playing today? An unmodified port may not be of any value to people who played the game already, but that doesn't mean it isn't a good game to play for someone who didn't own it in the first place.

and this.

 



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wow sesslar must feel like a big boy now that he dissed the Wii with those "funny" jokes.

but as for review besides throwing cheap shots at wii and my grandma it looked like a shitty port of a shitty game from a long time ago that i have never even heard of so 1/5 is fine by me.



Words Of Wisdom said:
HappySqurriel said:

You're arguing something entirely different than you think you are though ...

Saying a game like Super Smash Bros. shouldn't receive the score it once did because it doesn't offer the quality or value of similar games that have been released in the past decade (like Super Smash Bros. Melee and Super Smash Bros Brawl) is quite a bit different than saying that Super Smash Bros should get a 1 because it is an old game ... One way takes into account how the game stands up against current games and is an actual evaluation of its current quality, the other is an arbitrary evaluation that has no relation to the quality of the game.

Once again, as I said in my initial post, it is one thing to say that the game hasn't aged well or that the Wiimote controlls take away from the experience but to review a game based on its age alone is not a fair metric.

It's annoying to keep saying the same things over and over so I'll start quoting myself. 

Maybe it just takes a little repitition to help you understand.

Words Of Wisdom said:

X-Play isn't judging it as a new game, they're judging it as a port.  Rygar doesn't deserve a 1/5 because it was a bad PS2 game, it deserves a 1/5 because it offers no new worthwhile features or gameplay (according to the review) compared to the original.

 

Words Of Wisdom said:

Let's say Nintendo decided tomorrow to repackage it as a full Wii game (not VC) and all they did was add Wiimote/nunchuck controls to it.  They add nothing else.  No new characters, stages, modes, music, or anything are added.  What kind of rating should the game get?  Back when it was released it was a 8-10 out of 10 game for a lot of people.

Now we have SSB Wii with only 12 characters, no improvements, and more standing next to SSBB with roughly 3 times as many characters and stages along with loads of content.  Do you think that this SSB port as a Wii game should be 9 out of 10 like it was for the N64? 

I don't think so and neither would X-Play.

Are you with me yet?

You want ports to be reviewed on an absolute scale as if the original never existed if I'm understanding you correctly, but that isn't how it works (nor how it should work IMO). 

If you want a review of Rygar:  The Legendary Adventure then you should go read a review on Rygar:  The Legendary Adventure.  However if you want a review of a port of Rygar: The Legendary Adventure then you're going to get a review on the differences, the improvements, and the additional things added.  The problem is that when developers are lazy, there aren't any.   If the developers don't put anything new in to add value then what exactly are you buying? 

I can see the argument that if you don't have a PS2/PS3 with BC and have never heard of or played the original game, that Rygar may not be a 1/5 game.  I understand that argument.  The problem is that if you have a PS2/PS3 and a Wii, why would you ever buy the Wii version?  Here is a copy of the PS2 game for $2.95.  Two dollars and ninety five cents.  Let me say that again, two dollars and 95 cents.  Do you really want to tell me that a consumer should pay $49.99 (assuming a full price Wii game) for a repackaged game when they can get a practically identical experience $47.04 cheaper?

A successful port is one that gives people a reason to buy it.  It's one that adds value to the game so even if it's slightly aged, it still offers something.  An amazing port is one that gives people who owned the original a reason to buy the new one.  A shitty port is one that repackages the game with no additional features and expects people to pay retail value for it.

And that is why it gets a 1 out of 5.

 

So reviewers are no longer looking at the quality of a game, they're simply salesmen trying to tell you which games have the best value for your dollar?

I have never seen someone claim that a hard-cover edition of a book was somehow worse because a paperback verion of it existed, and I have certainly never heard that the French language hardcover of a book was terrible because an english paperback existed and was inexpensively avaliable on Amazon.com.



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Screw G4TV and the 360 worshipping Staff, apperently PS3 owners can buy something other than "Heavenly Sword figurines and Anti-depressants" . Now they insult the Wii? Grow the fuck up G4



HappySqurriel said:

So reviewers are no longer looking at the quality of a game, they're simply salesmen trying to tell you which games have the best value for your dollar?

I have never seen someone claim that a hard-cover edition of a book was somehow worse because a paperback verion of it existed, and I have certainly never heard that the French language hardcover of a book was terrible because an english paperback existed and was inexpensively avaliable on Amazon.com.

I've never seen someone take the entire transcript of The Prince, change the title to Machiavelli and You, and try to pass it off as a new book either.



^it does sound like it was an anti wii boy trying to review a wii game



 

Griffin said:
That was the best review i have ever seen in my life.

 

Agreed. It looks like this game was pretty good.... in 2002. Porting a game that old while adding/changing nothing definately deserves the lowest possible score on the review scale.



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Words Of Wisdom said:
HappySqurriel said:

So reviewers are no longer looking at the quality of a game, they're simply salesmen trying to tell you which games have the best value for your dollar?

I have never seen someone claim that a hard-cover edition of a book was somehow worse because a paperback verion of it existed, and I have certainly never heard that the French language hardcover of a book was terrible because an english paperback existed and was inexpensively avaliable on Amazon.com.

I've never seen someone take the entire transcript of The Prince, change the title to Machiavelli and You, and try to pass it off as a new book either.

 

Being that Tecmo has never claimed it was anything except a port, and they're releasing it at a lower price (than most Wii games) how are they trying to pass it off as a new game?