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bdbdbd said:
Usul said:

It was a translation from Spanish to English, maybe not too accurate but, anyway

1. It's insulting releasing a game that it's practically identical to the GC and DS version. But if people like to buy the "same game" twice, let them, Nintendo is very happy about it  Nothing to do with Halo IMO, at least Bungie tries to evolve in each new game in the series.

2. Niche was not the best word to describe it. In that article the reviewer was talking about Nintendo loyal fans as its real niche, not fans of sims. Bad translation I guess.

3. I do agree about there's no sense in making games only to the fans, companies have to expand and atract new consumers, but the point is al least giving "something" new in each new installment to the people who are purchasing the game.

4. Call it lack of effort or lazyness if ya want. No need to explain why Nintendo is becoming veeeeeeeery lazy.

5. We still don't know what will happen with the new audience in the future. I guess a lot won't buy the next Wii. A lot people are not very satisfied with the Wii (not what they thought it was), so we'll see... You didn't read the full article so you couldn't know, but the author said nothing in favour of HD gaming, was only complaining about the lack of effort seen in Nintendo these days and saying that the new audience may be ephemeral. Nothing more, nothing less.

6. All companies would like to make easy money if they could. Nintendo can do it know as they are the leads in sales, but I don't find it good for Wii users and Nintendo supporters. Making easy money with them, buying effortless done games, GC and DS ports to Wii...

 

 

1. Yes, and because of that, how is it taking away from the fans? That's excactly what the fans always want. The thing isn't different from Halo 3, since it was "the same game as the two previous games with new levels". It's interesting how people complain always for not having anything new in the game, when they want to purchase the same game with new content at the same time. The complain "not having anything new", is only to complain "it's still not for me".

 

2. Which makes it pretty odd comment. The reviewer actually wants Nintendo to make the game only for the relatively small group of people, propably because the author wants "Nintendo to go away from sight". The "Nintendo loyalists" have been abandoning Nintendo for decades now, so why would Nintendo want to make a game for the dying audience? Why Nintendo wouldn't make the game for its actual market? Why did Nintendo release AC as a new IP back then?

 

3. That should be case. I haven't played AC, so i can't say did it have any changes. As far as i know, it did, but obviously they weren't big enough. Maybe we should ask it from people who actually like life sim games.

 

4. Oh yes, if someone makes the claim, it needs explaining. Nintendo has been releasing more games than ever in the past few years. We all know it has "big" games in developement, along with the new IP:s, while new ideas need a lot of R&D. Nintendo isn't any lazier than ever. If Nintendo would be lazy, they wouldn't be putting out Wii Motion Plus, or especially be remaking their current projects to support it. People complain about the lack of HD.

 

5. You're right. A lot of them won't buy Wiis successor, just as alot of PS360 owners won't buy their successors. The thing is, that all of the audince is new to an extent. The current core audience exists only because the industry caters for the market. As long as you can cater the current "new" audience, they keep on playing games. The whole idea Nintendo has, is to get new people into games and keep them playing.

 

6. There really isn't effortless games. If i can recall, there's no DS ports and the GC ports are targeted to core gamers. If Nintendo would start making "easy money", they'd be without market in no time. That's the reason why Nintendo is pushing its new audience games. So far, as i can tell, Nintendo is the only first party developer that is really putting effort instead of trying to make the "easy money". Milking money from the market is just as easy/hard for Nintendo as it is for any other developer out there. Only that Nintendo knows the strategy isn't sustainable, which is proven by the sales of a lot of third parties, who are after the easy money. And in the end, you can't sell consoles if all you're after is easy money. Wii Fit, Wii Sports, MKWii, all sell because of being good games that appeal to people. For that appeal, Nintendo has had a lot of work to do.

You have some good points, but you don't seem to understand what the reviewer complaints about. Nintendo can be supported by expanding the market to new audiences but not by other lazy and milky things they're doing.

 



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Blood_Tears said:
dark_gh0st_b0y said:
NO, Wii is the cheapest one and the most popular at the same time, if someone wants a console Wii has more chances to sell

Ps3 is the most affected and is shown year after year, with Xbox360 selling much more

 

 So that's why 2008 world wide sales were equal between the 2...

 

I'd say look at the last two quarters of 08, you know, where the effects of the recession really started to kick in.



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Demotruk said:
griffinA said:
This all stems from the idea that casuals are the undesireable customers. They aren't, they're different customers.

 

Exactly.

 

That's the issue : the fact they are different may mean they are undesirable customers , we don't fully understand the habbits of the Wii's demographic because we have no histroical data to look back on.

Traditional gamers are likely to be satisfied with cutting their living expensives or consuming less in order to fulfil their game playing needs , I doubt this would be true of every traditional gamer but probably more so than the Wii's userbase .

The question really is "are the 'hardcore' people likely to lose their employment less than any other group?".

One can make up indirect scenario's like "hardcore more likely to sacrifice other things";  try my one:

"The hardcore will likely to be most affected as they will be asked by their mothers to finally pay rent for the basement they are living in".

This is just another silly scenario, but takes from the age demographic and panders to the nerd image of traditional videogamers.

 

 

 



@Usul: I did understand the complaint, but i didn't see what the complaint is about.
If it was AC, i haven't played any of the games, so i don't know whether it was valid or not, since that's the only game that could fit the complaint in that case (although, the reviewer took the issue further, atleast according to your translation).
The games purpose seems to be getting the DS owners to Wii (like Pokemon Battle Revolution), when we'd need to know what ACWW owners think about the game, or atleast people who like the life simulation games, since his view could be different if the game would be in his favourite genre. That's why i brough the Halo 3 as an example.

The reviewer is entitled to his opinion about the game (or any other), but making unfounded claims that originate for not having games he'd like (compare to Matt Casamassina on IGN), is a whole different matter.



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When Nintendo announced the project code-named Revolution, developers, analysts, the gaming press, and self-styled hardcore gamers at large (hereafter referred to as 'they') believed it would be their last console.


When Nintendo unveiled the Wiimote, they derided Nintendo's desperate last-ditch resort to gimmicks.


When Nintendo revealed the name of Revolution was the Wii, they mocked the name and made endless successions of penis jokes, confident that nobody would even contemplate buying a system with such a silly name.


When the Wii launched to huge success, they dismissed it as a fad that would lose steam quickly.


When Nintendo announced Wii Fit, they predicted a catastrophic failure.


When the Wii surpassed the XBox 360, they did their best to downplay or outright dismiss the Wii's breakthrough, pointing instead to software sales.


When the Wii started selling more software than the XBox 360, they pointed to third party software sales.


When Wii Fit went on to sell many millions, they resorted to dismissing Nintendo's new market as stupid, uninformed gamers who simply refused to see the light.


When NPD reported the Wii started selling more third party software than the 360 in November and December, they just added more qualifiers on what games ought to sell well, so as to disqualify Nintendo's latest breakthrough.



The question, then, is this: What will it take for 'them' to stop betting against Nintendo?



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Wow, i am pretty sure the recession hit about 3-4 months ago, and hasn't Wii and DS sales gone up. This is so retarded, and its even funnier seeing the Wii/Nintendo haters jumping on this article to give them some new fresh hope, that GTA gave them before it was released.

If you really think logically you will realize the the PS3/360 will be affected most, it appeals to less people thats a fact. It is also a known fact that through a recession profits for entertainment (in house at least) will go up. Instead of ataking the family out to get something to eat parents will now, buy a dvd or game (most likely Wii game) to enjoy with thier kids. Writing is in stone, the wii will sell more software and hardware from till the end of this gen.

Lets get over it and realize it does not make the PS3 or 360 any less of a game console.

@ usul Quote"
A lot people are not very satisfied with the Wii (not what they thought it was), so we'll see..."

What the hell r you talking about, you really need to stop looking at what people say on the internet and check out real life, every family i know who owns a Wii absolutely loves it, but don't count on my word on it, check out the main stream press who are always reporting on how its the family console. It is obvious the Wii is not your console of choice but you really need to try to keep to more constructive arguments, this one fails.



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Kenny said:

When Nintendo announced the project code-named Revolution, developers, analysts, the gaming press, and self-styled hardcore gamers at large (hereafter referred to as 'they') believed it would be their last console.


When Nintendo unveiled the Wiimote, they derided Nintendo's desperate last-ditch resort to gimmicks.


When Nintendo revealed the name of Revolution was the Wii, they mocked the name and made endless successions of penis jokes, confident that nobody would even contemplate buying a system with such a silly name.


When the Wii launched to huge success, they dismissed it as a fad that would lose steam quickly.


When Nintendo announced Wii Fit, they predicted a catastrophic failure.


When the Wii surpassed the XBox 360, they did their best to downplay or outright dismiss the Wii's breakthrough, pointing instead to software sales.


When the Wii started selling more software than the XBox 360, they pointed to third party software sales.


When Wii Fit went on to sell many millions, they resorted to dismissing Nintendo's new market as stupid, uninformed gamers who simply refused to see the light.


When NPD reported the Wii started selling more third party software than the 360 in November and December, they just added more qualifiers on what games ought to sell well, so as to disqualify Nintendo's latest breakthrough.



The question, then, is this: What will it take for 'them' to stop betting against Nintendo?

 

I don't think they can? because if they do they realise just how unimportant they are in the bigger picture of things, funniest thing is all hardcore gamers started as non gamers, now they hate that Nintendo are trying to introduce more, it is really pathetic



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haxxiy said:
Eurogamer fails on all their articles. Very X360 biased. Never pay attention to them.

If one were to collect all such comments, I think we could prove that all the websites are biased for and against each of the systems.

This article is not even written by Eurogamer.

 



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BornFirst. said:
Wow, i am pretty sure the recession hit about 3-4 months ago, and hasn't Wii and DS sales gone up. This is so retarded, and its even funnier seeing the Wii/Nintendo haters jumping on this article to give them some new fresh hope, that GTA gave them before it was released.

If you really think logically you will realize the the PS3/360 will be affected most, it appeals to less people thats a fact. It is also a known fact that through a recession profits for entertainment (in house at least) will go up. Instead of ataking the family out to get something to eat parents will now, buy a dvd or game (most likely Wii game) to enjoy with thier kids. Writing is in stone, the wii will sell more software and hardware from till the end of this gen.

Lets get over it and realize it does not make the PS3 or 360 any less of a game console.

@ usul Quote"
A lot people are not very satisfied with the Wii (not what they thought it was), so we'll see..."

What the hell r you talking about, you really need to stop looking at what people say on the internet and check out real life, every family i know who owns a Wii absolutely loves it, but don't count on my word on it, check out the main stream press who are always reporting on how its the family console. It is obvious the Wii is not your console of choice but you really need to try to keep to more constructive arguments, this one fails.

 

I think a lot of people are trapped by their over a decade old view of what a gamer is ...

Back in about 1994/1995 the industry hit a point where there were more gamers above the age of 18 than younger gamers. At this point in time gamers had lots of disposable income, a lot of free time, and very few responsibilities.

Today, there are probably more gamers above the age of 25 than there are gamers who are younger than that and a large portion of these gamers will be parents. If people really started to realize that 1/4 to 1/3 of gamers are parents and 1/4 to 1/3 of gamers are children it might make sense to them that the system which is best suited to allowing parents to play games with their children is so popular.



NJ5 said:
haxxiy said:
Eurogamer fails on all their articles. Very X360 biased. Never pay attention to them.

If one were to collect all such comments, I think we could prove that all the websites are biased for and against each of the systems.

This article is not even written by Eurogamer.

 

 

When game review web sites like Gamespot take the opportunity, regularly, to point out that the 360 has the highest average metacritic scores, I think it's pretty safe to make assumptions.

Hell, before the PS3 and Wii hit, I was out there saying that there was going to be a concerted effort from the "hardcore" gaming press to use Metacritic as the way they would try to push their system of choice onto the public. And from everything I've seen, it's happened.

 



 

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