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By Kiyoshi Takenaka and Nathan Layne

TOKYO (Reuters) - Sony Corp fell into the red in the latest quarter and reiterated its forecast for a record annual loss due to sliding demand and a stronger yen, while rival Nintendo Co cut its full-year outlook for the second time in three months.

Nintendo posted a 21 percent rise in operating profit for the October-December quarter, benefiting from strong holiday sales of its Wii game console and DS handheld game player and proving its resilience in the face of an economic slump.

But the video game maker cut its profit forecast for the year to March by a much larger-than-expected 16 percent while lowering its sales target for the Wii slightly, a move that could raise worries over its growth potential.

"It will be a major shock for Nintendo bulls out there if they are reducing Wii unit guidance because people expect this to go up," said Hiroshi Kamide of KBC Securities.

Nintendo's new operating profit forecast of 530 billion yen ($5.9 billion) for the year to March would still be a record figure, a sharp contrast to Sony, which is heading for its biggest operating loss on record and its first in 14 years.

Nintendo's strategy to broaden the gaming population by offering innovative but easy-to-play games has been a roaring success, with the Wii far outselling Sony's PlayStation 3 and Microsoft Corp's Xbox 360 since its debut in 2006.

Sony has been battered by falling prices and slumping demand for flat TVs and digital cameras, while also having to shoulder massive costs to close factories and cut jobs.

The maker of Bravia TVs and Cyber-shot cameras reiterated a forecast it unveiled last week for a record 260 billion yen ($2.9 billion) operating loss for the year to March, a big swing from the 475 billion yen profit logged a year earlier.

PILING INVENTORIES

As inventories pile up and prices tumble, Sony is feeling the pinch of the downturn in every corner of its operations, which range from semiconductors to movies and insurance.

"Demand does not seem to be getting any better from the fourth quarter (through March 31) on. We will press ahead with production and inventory adjustments," Sony Senior Vice President Naofumi Hara told a news conference.

Sony reported an operating loss of 18 billion yen for the three months to December, down from a 236.2 billion yen profit a year earlier and joining other technology heavyweights such as Samsung in posting a quarterly loss.

Its TV business alone logged a quarterly operating loss of 43 billion yen, down from a 7 billion yen profit a year earlier.

Sony, which is planning to set up an LCD production joint venture with Sharp Corp, said they have postponed setting up the venture until March 2010, about a year later than originally scheduled, due to the global downturn.

October-December group operating profit at Nintendo rose to 249.2 billion from 205.3 billion yen a year earlier. The result was roughly in line with the average of 247.9 billion yen from four analysts surveyed by Reuters.

But Nintendo cut its full-year outlook by 100 billion yen to 530 billion yen, far below the market consensus of 604 billion yen in a poll of 18 analysts by Reuters Estimates.

Nintendo's outlook has been tempered by a rising yen, which makes its consoles less competitive and cuts into the value of overseas earnings. It booked a foreign exchange-related loss of 174.2 billion yen in the nine months to December as a firmer yen decreased the value of Nintendo's foreign currency-denominated assets in yen terms.

Nintendo cut its annual sales target for the Wii by 1 million units to 26.5 million units, while raising its forecast for the DS by 1 million to 31.5 million.

"The Wii is selling extremely well in Europe and the United States. But its Japan sales are falling short of our expectations," Nintendo President Satoru Iwata told reporters.

Prior to the announcements, shares in Sony closed up 4 percent at 1,909 yen while Nintendo rose 1.6 percent to 32,300 yen. The benchmark Nikkei average rose 1.8 percent.

(Additional reporting by Yumi Horie; Editing by Edwina Gibbs and Hans Peters)




 

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I predict that the entire VG industry slowdown this year especially if Nintendo pulls back on sales outlook. I might have to change my prediction that the Wii will end up at 70 mill by the end of this year.




 

Microsoft's feeling it, too--they only made $17 billion last year



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actually nintendo is doing just fine. they are still selling more its due to the rising yen thats causing the profit to decrease, but that just mean instead of laughing to the bank they are just smiling to the bank. Sony on the other hand due to the rising yen is in more dire situation.



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Nintendo may be getting pinched, but I'm not convinced that they're feeling it...



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Passenger57 said:

I predict that the entire VG industry slowdown this year especially if Nintendo pulls back on sales outlook. I might have to change my prediction that the Wii will end up at 70 mill by the end of this year.

 

You don't understand what happened here -- Nintendo's sales are fantastic.  Better than they've ever been, in fact.  The YEN is strong and that is why they're feeling the pinch.  If the yen is 15% stronger relative to the Euro and the USD then sales of their consoles bring in approximately that much less revenue.  And if your profit margin is around 20%, that's going to destroy your profit numbers.  Because of this unforseeable reason, Nintendo and Sony missed projections.

Microsoft sales have been fantastic as well.

The maker of Bravia TVs and Cyber-shot cameras reiterated a forecast it unveiled last week for a record 260 billion yen ($2.9 billion) operating loss for the year to March, a big swing from the 475 billion yen profit logged a year earlier.

Sony, on the other hand, has products no one wants to buy AND an unfavorable exchange rate.  These numbers are outrageously bad.



ironically, nintendo's sucess with the DS seems to be a major cause for the problems its favcing with the wii



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They may have lowered their Wii expectation by a million (from 35.5 to 34.5 mio. :o, scary shit), they also added a million to their DS expectations.

Nintendo isn't feeling anything aside from the currency fluctuations.