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nordlead said:

Since PC's have better graphics for the same hardware price tag, and cheaper software, why buy a console if it has all the same downsides? Consoles are great because they are simple to use, turn on fast, no patching or games randomly not working (in theory), no installs, and their main use is to just play games. If consoles are going to mimick PC's, then I'd rather buy a PC since it has a greater set of uses (office use, better internet, graphics, and other general purpose uses)

The sad part is, is that no one seems to care that the simplicity of console gaming is being thrown away, and it isn't just the installs, it is all the downsides to PC gaming, like patches.

 

Consoles will never have the same downsides, the biggest problem with PC gaming is the mix of hardware and such that makes some games just not run right.  That will never happen with consoles because the hardware is identical across the board.  Games are designed for a single hardware set up, and everyone has it.

 

Installs are still simple, you put a disc in and it auto-installs when you start the game, it doesn't get any harder than that.  New patches automatically download when you start a game, and aain auto-install, on PS3 at least (dunno about 360).

 

Yeah it sucks that games will now suffer that 'release and patch later' problem PC games often have, but a fix later is better than a fix never.  (Yeah a know no need for a fix is even better than that).

Look at Tomb Raider Underworld on the Wii, you can spend hours on that game, get to one of the later levels, and a switch is missing.  Loading a save prior to that level and trying again doesn't help, you hit that bug, your hours are all wasted and starting a new game is the only option, other than downloading a save file from the net to play from, but isn't that just manual patching?  I hit a bug with Twilight Princess that forced me to restart and lose god knows how many hours.  What i would have given for a patch to that...



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RPG said:
Mandatory installs is the best thing to ever come this generation, it means the game can be streamed faster and load times are severly decreased. Killzone 2 has no installs but they are load times and I have seen people bitch about there not being a mandatory install.

I want a gorgeous 50GB install for FFXIII, no load times at all and on one glorious 50GB blu-ray disc. ;)

OPTIONAL install is fine.  But why do you need to subject others to using up harddrive space they don't want, out of the theory it makes YOUR graphics look better?  How does forcing me to install on my machine make your gameplay better?

 



DaGreatestHope said:
Consoles are becoming more like PCs nowadays.

After the NXE, many 360 fans began praising installations, saying it makes the game runs better.

A seemingly double standard to bash the PS3 for the same type of reason.

Personally, I dont care if the game installs or not. I can wait 5 to 20 min. no problem.

MANDATORY is the key word. I will tolerate longer load times to save harddrive space.  When I am done with the game, and had mandatory install, then my harddrive remains full of code, for a game I am not playing.

 



Squilliam said:
If the PS3 hard-drive was user swappable and easy like the Xbox 360 this wouldn't be such an issue for 20/40gb PS3 owners.

Before people cry at me, most people do not have a set of precision screw-drivers nor the willingness to open up their console. If they did they would have probably not bought the PS3 in the first place -> PC gamers! Or whatever.

 

Oh please the PS3 hard drive is simple to swap, it requires knowing how to turn a screw.  With normal screwdrivers, this precision need to make out is nonsense.

 

There is are simple easy to follow instructions on how to swap the hard drive, if they manage to set up a PS3 to a TV, they can manage that.  It isn't like pulling a PC apart.



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richardhutnik said:
DaGreatestHope said:
Consoles are becoming more like PCs nowadays.

After the NXE, many 360 fans began praising installations, saying it makes the game runs better.

A seemingly double standard to bash the PS3 for the same type of reason.

Personally, I dont care if the game installs or not. I can wait 5 to 20 min. no problem.

MANDATORY is the key word. I will tolerate longer load times to save harddrive space.  When I am done with the game, and had mandatory install, then my harddrive remains full of code, for a game I am not playing.

 

 

 

So delete the install if you aren't going to play it.  What is the problem?



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KylieDog said:
Squilliam said:
If the PS3 hard-drive was user swappable and easy like the Xbox 360 this wouldn't be such an issue for 20/40gb PS3 owners.

Before people cry at me, most people do not have a set of precision screw-drivers nor the willingness to open up their console. If they did they would have probably not bought the PS3 in the first place -> PC gamers! Or whatever.

 

Oh please the PS3 hard drive is simple to swap, it requires knowing how to turn a screw.  With normal screwdrivers, this precision need to make out is nonsense.

 

There is are simple easy to follow instructions on how to swap the hard drive, if they manage to set up a PS3 to a TV, they can manage that.  It isn't like pulling a PC apart.

 

 Actually, when I went to upgrade the HDD in my PS3, the metal for the screw was really soft (well, for metal), which meant that the screw got damaged a little, and it would've been impossible (or very, very hard) to upgrade the HDD again.

Fortunatly, my PS3 broke and I got a replacement.

Yay for substandard products, the bain of capitalism.



KylieDog said:
richardhutnik said:
DaGreatestHope said:
Consoles are becoming more like PCs nowadays.

After the NXE, many 360 fans began praising installations, saying it makes the game runs better.

A seemingly double standard to bash the PS3 for the same type of reason.

Personally, I dont care if the game installs or not. I can wait 5 to 20 min. no problem.

MANDATORY is the key word. I will tolerate longer load times to save harddrive space.  When I am done with the game, and had mandatory install, then my harddrive remains full of code, for a game I am not playing.

 

 

So delete the install if you aren't going to play it.  What is the problem?

1. You have multiple games you are looking to play and return to.  You get stuck and decide to put it away awhile, and then return to it.  Do this for 5 or 6 games, and you could end up eating up at least 25% of your harddrive storage for that.

2. You will play through a game once and only once.  You sit through a long install process that can be used for gaming.

3. You rent games, and want to see what the game is like to decide.  If you don't have to install, you then get to start faster and play.  

 

Again, OPTIONAL is a GREAT feature.  If you REQUIRE it, then what?

And what is the point of Blu-Ray's disk storage, if you are going to require people to have to install the games on their harddrives anyhow?

In this, I am NOT saying that requiring a harddrive for gaming isn't a bad thing.  The harddrive can be used for things like caching.  But to install the game?  Again, remind me why Blu-Ray is needed if you will require installs... so, you don't have to swap disks during the install process?

 



BengaBenga said:
RPG said:
DirtyP2002 said:

unbeliveable spin by PS3-fans here. Mandatory installs do not make a game better. Do you think Sony would allow mandatory installs if they were not necessary? Waiting 20 minutes before you can start the game is not great either.

 

Think about those lucky PS3 Users with the 20GB HDD. they can actually play 3 games like this at the same time...

 

Indeed we all know that once the data has been installed it cannot be deleted, we also all know that a HDD for the PS3 is overpriced like the 360 ones..........

If people cannot find 20 minutes to install the game it means they are pressed for time, something which gamers never are..........as your going to spend hours playing games. :/ Make yourself some tea, biscuits and crumpets in that 20 minutes. even go to the loo if you have to but the "have to wait 20 mins" line is just bullshit.

 

Speak for yourself please. I'm working 60 hours a week or so, so when I want to relax and play a game I don't really feel like waiting for 20 minutes. I'm sure I'm not the only one with a job that likes playing games...

You're trying to defend stuff that's really not worth defending.   

uhh? working 60 hours a week?

- try reducing the hours you work?

- don't play games that require a mandatory install?

 

How much time do you spend playing games per week? 1 hour a week? 2 hours a week? Even if 1 hour a week you still get 40 mins worth of play time...err but you don't have a ps3 do you, so why would this bother you?

Infact, I'll stop...but I will say that your post is one of the most illogical posts I've read here.

 



cura said:
BengaBenga said:
RPG said:
DirtyP2002 said:

unbeliveable spin by PS3-fans here. Mandatory installs do not make a game better. Do you think Sony would allow mandatory installs if they were not necessary? Waiting 20 minutes before you can start the game is not great either.

 

Think about those lucky PS3 Users with the 20GB HDD. they can actually play 3 games like this at the same time...

 

Indeed we all know that once the data has been installed it cannot be deleted, we also all know that a HDD for the PS3 is overpriced like the 360 ones..........

If people cannot find 20 minutes to install the game it means they are pressed for time, something which gamers never are..........as your going to spend hours playing games. :/ Make yourself some tea, biscuits and crumpets in that 20 minutes. even go to the loo if you have to but the "have to wait 20 mins" line is just bullshit.

 

Speak for yourself please. I'm working 60 hours a week or so, so when I want to relax and play a game I don't really feel like waiting for 20 minutes. I'm sure I'm not the only one with a job that likes playing games...

You're trying to defend stuff that's really not worth defending.   

uhh? working 60 hours a week?

- try reducing the hours you work?

- don't play games that require a mandatory install?

 

How much time do you spend playing games per week? 1 hour a week? 2 hours a week? Even if 1 hour a week you still get 40 mins worth of play time...err but you don't have a ps3 do you, so why would this bother you?

Infact, I'll stop...but I will say that your post is one of the most illogical posts I've read here.

 

Ewww illogical person pretending to be logical.

 



Tease.

Um... BengaBenga, you can't be working legally for 60 hours a week and be living in The Netherlands (maximum legal working hours: 48 per week).