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i do pirate some PC games to try them out, (NHL 09, Sin of a solar empire, Resident evil 4 are the latest) and so on..but the orginal PC version of RE is a port without mouse suport (the pirated version was fixed)...and SOASE and NHL09 was not funny so became more off try versions...



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aher052 said:

ok so i just want to get this out....

this is my opinion on pirating

when people pirate they (the ppl i know) usually do it because they dont want to pay 100 bucks or whatever for a game. however this is not stealing IMO (and i said IMO) because if they didnt pirate then they wouldnt pay the 100 bucks any way, no matter how much they wanted the game....

so in this situation it would be either having the game pirated or not buying the game at all....so really this helps the developer because they would usually tell all their friends about the game (ie me) and they would end up buying it. (this is how i end up buying games...through friends who have the game and advertise it to me)

This is not stealing because if they didnt pirate the game they wouldnt end up buying the game and therefore the developer or whoever is not losing out on any money anyway because they wouldnt have got the game if they had to pay for it....

but for example if someone were to pirate LBP and shared my opinion on either pirating or not paying, it would help the developer because they would pay for the other features such as MGS paintball addon pack so really the developer would get money off that...

 

so if you followed all my logic etc if someone were to pirate they wouldnt be stealing because if they didnt pirate they wouldnt get teh game at all....

 

that is my opinion and what some friends of mine do and think.....

however i am against people pirating massive amounts then selling copied games for a profit (just wanted to get that out of the way)

Taking something you did not pay for is stealing plain and simple you can call it pirating ect.  If I walk into a store and say hmm I wasnt going to buy ghost recon but if I put it in my poicket and walk out with it thats ok?  No its stealing simple as that.  You want a game pay for it you dont want it you dont play it.  Thats my opinion.  I try to not even buy used games cine the publisher and developer make no money on it.

 



PS3, WII and 360 all great systems depends on what type of console player you are.

Currently playing Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2, Fallout 3, Halo ODST and Dragon Age Origins is next game

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I pirate music and movies, but would never pirate games. I am very loyal to the companies that put out good games and want to see them continue to be successful.. plus I don't want to mod my Wii.

 



xman said:
aher052 said:

ok so i just want to get this out....

this is my opinion on pirating

when people pirate they (the ppl i know) usually do it because they dont want to pay 100 bucks or whatever for a game. however this is not stealing IMO (and i said IMO) because if they didnt pirate then they wouldnt pay the 100 bucks any way, no matter how much they wanted the game....

so in this situation it would be either having the game pirated or not buying the game at all....so really this helps the developer because they would usually tell all their friends about the game (ie me) and they would end up buying it. (this is how i end up buying games...through friends who have the game and advertise it to me)

This is not stealing because if they didnt pirate the game they wouldnt end up buying the game and therefore the developer or whoever is not losing out on any money anyway because they wouldnt have got the game if they had to pay for it....

but for example if someone were to pirate LBP and shared my opinion on either pirating or not paying, it would help the developer because they would pay for the other features such as MGS paintball addon pack so really the developer would get money off that...

 

so if you followed all my logic etc if someone were to pirate they wouldnt be stealing because if they didnt pirate they wouldnt get teh game at all....

 

that is my opinion and what some friends of mine do and think.....

however i am against people pirating massive amounts then selling copied games for a profit (just wanted to get that out of the way)

Taking something you did not pay for is stealing plain and simple you can call it pirating ect.  If I walk into a store and say hmm I wasnt going to buy ghost recon but if I put it in my poicket and walk out with it thats ok?  No its stealing simple as that.  You want a game pay for it you dont want it you dont play it.  Thats my opinion.  I try to not even buy used games cine the publisher and developer make no money on it.

 

That is not the same thing, and to suggest that it is the same is disingenuous. Yes, you're still getting something you didn't pay for, but it's a copy of a product, not a physical piece of software which the company itself produced. There is no stock being stolen in this scenario.



Khuutra said:
xman said:
aher052 said:

ok so i just want to get this out....

this is my opinion on pirating

when people pirate they (the ppl i know) usually do it because they dont want to pay 100 bucks or whatever for a game. however this is not stealing IMO (and i said IMO) because if they didnt pirate then they wouldnt pay the 100 bucks any way, no matter how much they wanted the game....

so in this situation it would be either having the game pirated or not buying the game at all....so really this helps the developer because they would usually tell all their friends about the game (ie me) and they would end up buying it. (this is how i end up buying games...through friends who have the game and advertise it to me)

This is not stealing because if they didnt pirate the game they wouldnt end up buying the game and therefore the developer or whoever is not losing out on any money anyway because they wouldnt have got the game if they had to pay for it....

but for example if someone were to pirate LBP and shared my opinion on either pirating or not paying, it would help the developer because they would pay for the other features such as MGS paintball addon pack so really the developer would get money off that...

 

so if you followed all my logic etc if someone were to pirate they wouldnt be stealing because if they didnt pirate they wouldnt get teh game at all....

 

that is my opinion and what some friends of mine do and think.....

however i am against people pirating massive amounts then selling copied games for a profit (just wanted to get that out of the way)

Taking something you did not pay for is stealing plain and simple you can call it pirating ect.  If I walk into a store and say hmm I wasnt going to buy ghost recon but if I put it in my poicket and walk out with it thats ok?  No its stealing simple as that.  You want a game pay for it you dont want it you dont play it.  Thats my opinion.  I try to not even buy used games cine the publisher and developer make no money on it.

 

That is not the same thing, and to suggest that it is the same is disingenuous. Yes, you're still getting something you didn't pay for, but it's a copy of a product, not a physical piece of software which the company itself produced. There is no stock being stolen in this scenario.

You are TAKING something that you did not pay for, feel free to split hairs if you would like but you did not pay for it and in my book thats stealing which is the same thing.  I always love to see how people justify there pirating (better word than stealing).  And to call me disengenous is laughable, since I am the one against it.

 



PS3, WII and 360 all great systems depends on what type of console player you are.

Currently playing Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2, Fallout 3, Halo ODST and Dragon Age Origins is next game

Xbox live:mywiferocks

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i used to be as a PC gamer , but not as a 360 owner...



All my console games are original, and I buy about 10 a year. Sometimes I buy some pirated PC games and I download games for my PSP and I will for my DS when I get it on March. I'm sorry but I live on a third world country where games cost about 4 times the price on the US.



Everything is legit and will be legit here. ;)



I pirate most of my pc games
and pay for all my ps3 games
But I think that playing a game you bought gives a better experience.



Khuutra said:

That is not the same thing, and to suggest that it is the same is disingenuous. Yes, you're still getting something you didn't pay for, but it's a copy of a product, not a physical piece of software which the company itself produced. There is no stock being stolen in this scenario.

A better comparison then would be a book.  Lets say a book costs 20$.  I would bet that less than 50 cents of that is materials for the book.  Therefore > 95% of the cost is paying the author for his hard work writing the story.  If you were to steal that book, or even steal the story after he copyrighted it, you would be held accountable for theft.  Are downloading games off the internet any different.  What it amounts to is that someone is enjoying someone's hard work without paying for it after it has been copyrighted.

The above paragraph applies to the whole "I wouldn't have bought it anyway" argument.  Simply put, that is just another way of justifying the theft.  Could you take an expensive painting without paying for it?  Do you think the judge would accept "I wouldn't have gotten it if I had to pay for it" as a defense?   Once again, the painting is like digital content because what you pay for is the labor of making it.

"Customers who pirate spend more money on legit software as well" - A person pirates Sword of Mana and then uses the money he saved to buy a Ubisoft title on the Wii.  How is this fair to Squaresoft?

Simply put, if you were to apply these excuses for piracy to anything else, they would not hold up.  Definately not in a court of law.