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MikeB said:
kowenicki said:
Oh Jesus Mike B will be here any moment... He loves his shipment numbers.

It's quite clear Sony expected higher sales and there shipment numbers reflect this... unfortunately they didnt achieve these sales. npd confirmed this also.

Actually Sony said they won't alter their FY sales estimate, so it's probably on par with expectations.

And yes, worldwide sold to retail data is the most concrete and exact data we can get on actaul worldwide console sales.

Japan tracking is easy for VGChartz as 3rd party data is usually out before VGChartz data. North American and UK data is harder, but there are usually good NPD and Chart Track indicators, they happen to be the 360's strongest performing markets. Much of interest with regard to PS3 are the rest of the world, where the PS3 performs pretty well.

 

 

 "...Much of interest with regard to PS3 are the rest of the world, where the PS3 performs pretty well..."  Europe is rest of the world?  What about Asia, Africa, Latin America...where 360 does well?  Do we count those as "rest of the world"?



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man reading this is cracking me up


you have two sides

one side is the fanboys who are offering no really proof or reason just "OMG my 1337 station is being shamed by this site...shun the non believer"

then you have the other side that is pulling logic, facts, and valid arguments and just hitting blind fanboy walls...

do waste your time guys the you will never be able to convince them the ps3 is hurting



 

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heruamon said:
MikeB said:
kowenicki said:
Oh Jesus Mike B will be here any moment... He loves his shipment numbers.

It's quite clear Sony expected higher sales and there shipment numbers reflect this... unfortunately they didnt achieve these sales. npd confirmed this also.

Actually Sony said they won't alter their FY sales estimate, so it's probably on par with expectations.

And yes, worldwide sold to retail data is the most concrete and exact data we can get on actaul worldwide console sales.9

Japan tracking is easy for VGChartz as 3rd party data is usually out before VGChartz data. North American and UK data is harder, but there are usually good NPD and Chart Track indicators, they happen to be the 360's strongest performing markets. Much of interest with regard to PS3 are the rest of the world, where the PS3 performs pretty well.

 

 

 "...Much of interest with regard to PS3 are the rest of the world, where the PS3 performs pretty well..."  Europe is rest of the world?  What about Asia, Africa, Latin America...where 360 does well?  Do we count those as "rest of the world"?

The PS3 is yet to officially launch in South America, Europe is of course the most important factor, it's a bigger gaming market than the US. AFAIK the PS3 performs well in Asia (other than for just Japan) as well, which is difficult to track as well.

IMO what really matters is that despite big 360 headstarts (1 year for Japan and North America, 1 year and 5 months for most PAL regions to several years for South America, much lower 360 entry pricing and all its most anticpated games already out (including sequels to all well sold XBox games) the PS3 performed well better taking equal timeframes. And many 3rd parties are generating more revenue with the PS3 than with the 360, ensuring healthy 3rd party support, the install base is big enough for a healthy market until the PS3 heavy hitters are out and potentially the release of a cheaper slimline unit.

 



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SpartanFX said:
^^not more than 2 million big.

1.4 maybe (we have 360 at 700K difference between shipped and sold)

more than 2 mil seems rather extreme.

 

 

That would explain retailers like Amazon and Walmart offering deals to try and move the excess inventory. Sony overshipped, retailers over ordered. Where I am, there are still stacks of PS3s in Bestbuy and Walmart.



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MikeB said:
heruamon said:
MikeB said:
kowenicki said:
Oh Jesus Mike B will be here any moment... He loves his shipment numbers.

It's quite clear Sony expected higher sales and there shipment numbers reflect this... unfortunately they didnt achieve these sales. npd confirmed this also.

Actually Sony said they won't alter their FY sales estimate, so it's probably on par with expectations.

And yes, worldwide sold to retail data is the most concrete and exact data we can get on actaul worldwide console sales.9

Japan tracking is easy for VGChartz as 3rd party data is usually out before VGChartz data. North American and UK data is harder, but there are usually good NPD and Chart Track indicators, they happen to be the 360's strongest performing markets. Much of interest with regard to PS3 are the rest of the world, where the PS3 performs pretty well.

 

 

 "...Much of interest with regard to PS3 are the rest of the world, where the PS3 performs pretty well..."  Europe is rest of the world?  What about Asia, Africa, Latin America...where 360 does well?  Do we count those as "rest of the world"?

The PS3 is yet to officially launch in South America, Europe is of course to most important factor, its a bigger gaming market than the US. AFAIK the PS3 performs well in Asia as well, which is difficult to track as well.

IMO what really matters is that despite big 360 headstarts (1 year for Japan and North America, 1 year and 5 months for most PAL regions to several years for South America, much lower 360 entry pricing and all its most anticpated games already out (including sequels to all well sold XBox games) the PS3 performed well better taking equal timeframes. And 3rd many 3rd parties are generating more revenue with the PS3 than with the 360, ensuring healthy 3rd party support, the install base is big enough for a healthy market until the PS3 heavy hitters are out and potentially the release of a cheaper slimline unit.

 

I thought they were releasing it last year? I recall them mentioning it in the E3 conference last year...

 



mehm said:
koffieboon said:
@mehm: For years Sony only provided production shipment numbers. As far as I know there is no way to know exactly how many PS2s have been shipped to retailers since launch.

 

http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/casual-connect-sony-on-developing-for-an-open-ps2-platform/?biz=1

Production shipment is btw now at 138.15 million whereas Unit sales (normal shipments) are at 136.32 million. The difference between those two methods isn't as big as it were some years ago, because the PS2 isn't produced that much anymore.

 

Those numbers you mention are not in the article, so where do they come from? Just looking at the annual report from 2008 (the first year they actually changed from production shipments to shipments to retail) I can't seem to find Sony mentioning an LTD for shipments to retail for PS2. So if you do have a source I'm curious about it.

 

 



shock182 said:
SpartanFX said:
^^not more than 2 million big.

1.4 maybe (we have 360 at 700K difference between shipped and sold)

more than 2 mil seems rather extreme.

 

 

That would explain retailers like Amazon and Walmart offering deals to try and move the excess inventory. Sony overshipped, retailers over ordered. Where I am, there are still stacks of PS3s in Bestbuy and Walmart.

 

This. The 360 was over shipped but the PS3 was much worst. At my local Wal-Mart we were sitting on literally 40+ PS3s. That's just at one Wal-Mart alone. I can only imagine how many other stores were sitting on PS3s right now. Fact is Sony expected to sell more the holiday season and it didn't happen.

We also had a abbudance of OS 360's but it wasn't even close to the PS3 level.

 

Wii and DS on the other hand are always OOS. Go Nintendo.



It's just that simple.

umm guys, chill

it is Entirely Possible they channel stuffed

didn't Microsoft do it for xmas 2006? to get to the touted 10 million shipped mark, then the next quarter they shipped a miniscule amount of 360's to retailers due to the overstuffed xmas channels?

not saying vg overtracked or undertracked, what we HAVE to wait for is next quarter to determine of Sony channel stuffed.



channel stuffing, not surprising. we have seen each of the big three do it at one time or another. and with different consoles. if they had unexpectedly low sales (YoY growth normally is guaranteed into the 3rd year) shipments may have started off strong prepping the first few weeks to prevent shortages, then died off when it became clear shortages would not happen



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