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seece said:
docholliday said:
LMAO at the ppl who take such great offense to what the OP does. You would think this guy stole your daughters virginity or some shit, my god. Im not gonna condone piracy, but its his business. If he gets caught then so be it. But there are much bigger and more important fights to be fought in this world than piracy.

I dont pirate myself, but ive damn sure thought about it before. And I know ppl that do, but to each their own. For instance, I got laid off from my job of over 2 years and knew money was gonna be very tight until I found work again. I had a buddy that was gonna mod my 360 so I could play burnt games. Now its obvious I wasnt gonna to buy the games without any income, so was I really taking money away from anyone?? Luckily I found work and have purchased all my games legally though.

If you couldn't afford them then you simply don't get to play them.

 

Oh I can't afford a car does that give me the right to break into a car showroom and pinch one? I was never going to buy one so it must be!

 

You know this comparison is so fckn retarded its not even funny. First off, I never pirated anything so save the self righteous bullshit for someone else. And lets break down the facts here. If a person steals a car they are taking something that physically exists, something that will cost the company money to replace. If a person pirates a game, in all honestly they are not costing anyone any expense. Sure they MIGHT have been a possible customer to actually purchase the item. But even that bears the burden of proof.

Like I said though, there are much more important things to worry about in this world than internet pirates. I'd rather let the police worry about the drug dealers,rapists, murderers than worry about 14 year old Jimmy that pirated Gears of War. Really is worrying that so many ppl see stopping internet pirates as their great crusade. If your gonna pick a battle to fight, make it one that worth fighting.

 



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Words Of Wisdom said:
docholliday said:
LMAO at the ppl who take such great offense to what the OP does. You would think this guy stole your daughters virginity or some shit, my god. Im not gonna condone piracy, but its his business. If he gets caught then so be it. But there are much bigger and more important fights to be fought in this world than piracy.

I dont pirate myself, but ive damn sure thought about it before. And I know ppl that do, but to each their own. For instance, I got laid off from my job of over 2 years and knew money was gonna be very tight until I found work again. I had a buddy that was gonna mod my 360 so I could play burnt games. Now its obvious I wasnt gonna to buy the games without any income, so was I really taking money away from anyone?? Luckily I found work and have purchased all my games legally though.


Let's say you pirate 20 games on their 360.  At full retail price, that's 20 times $60 or $1200 (plus tax) of merchandise you have illegally obtained.  Who is hurt by this?

1)  The government.  Sales tax equates to government funding so the less you buy the less money the government receives.
2)  The retailer.  Retailers do not have unlimited space and it's generally a battle to see what product lines get XYZ space.  Anyone who has ever watched an electronics department downsize (fewer shelves/display cases) should understand that if products are not selling, they will carry less.
3)  The publisher.  The fewer sales they see, the less risk they're willing to take on new IPs.  When a publisher is doing well, there's plenty of money to go around and are likely much more willing to put forth venture capital and sponsor new IPs.  When a publisher is not doing well... we have that situation today so you might as well look around.
4)  The developer.  Companies are closing doors during this time because of lack of profit.  Games are getting cut from upcoming lists because of lack of funding.  If they can't profit off the games they're making, we won't see them make as many games and franchises may be discontinued.

and finally...

5)  The gamer.  We see fewer games in stores, fewer new IPs coming, fewer games coming entirely, and companies that some of us will miss closing their doors.

And no, piracy is not 100% to blame for anything above.  However, that $1200 (plus tax) you didn't put into the video game market by pirating 20 games on your 360 is contributing to it.

Right on.

Piracy is thievery. Thieves are parasites.

 



Word of Wisdom - the big problem is that if he didn't pirate 20 games doesn't mean he would buy all 20 with cash as new copies from retailer. He could just as well buy two get 5 more from secon hand and rent rest for example.



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Words Of Wisdom said:
docholliday said:
LMAO at the ppl who take such great offense to what the OP does. You would think this guy stole your daughters virginity or some shit, my god. Im not gonna condone piracy, but its his business. If he gets caught then so be it. But there are much bigger and more important fights to be fought in this world than piracy.

I dont pirate myself, but ive damn sure thought about it before. And I know ppl that do, but to each their own. For instance, I got laid off from my job of over 2 years and knew money was gonna be very tight until I found work again. I had a buddy that was gonna mod my 360 so I could play burnt games. Now its obvious I wasnt gonna to buy the games without any income, so was I really taking money away from anyone?? Luckily I found work and have purchased all my games legally though.


Let's say you pirate 20 games on their 360.  At full retail price, that's 20 times $60 or $1200 (plus tax) of merchandise you have illegally obtained.  Who is hurt by this?

1)  The government.  Sales tax equates to government funding so the less you buy the less money the government receives.
2)  The retailer.  Retailers do not have unlimited space and it's generally a battle to see what product lines get XYZ space.  Anyone who has ever watched an electronics department downsize (fewer shelves/display cases) should understand that if products are not selling, they will carry less.
3)  The publisher.  The fewer sales they see, the less risk they're willing to take on new IPs.  When a publisher is doing well, there's plenty of money to go around and are likely much more willing to put forth venture capital and sponsor new IPs.  When a publisher is not doing well... we have that situation today so you might as well look around.
4)  The developer.  Companies are closing doors during this time because of lack of profit.  Games are getting cut from upcoming lists because of lack of funding.  If they can't profit off the games they're making, we won't see them make as many games and franchises may be discontinued.

and finally...

5)  The gamer.  We see fewer games in stores, fewer new IPs coming, fewer games coming entirely, and companies that some of us will miss closing their doors.

And no, piracy is not 100% to blame for anything above.  However, that $1200 (plus tax) you didn't put into the video game market by pirating 20 games on your 360 is contributing to it.


@bolded : I don't believe that for a second.


(PS:  My list misses a lot of others like general stakeholders of companies but you get the idea.)

Your points are valid, if the pirate would purchase the items if they couldnt download them illegally. Which cant be proven/disproven. So that point could go back and forth all day long, because without out some extensive survey to find out the typical behavior of a private its just pure speculation.

And @ bolded, yea I bought all my games. I have a drawer full of receipts to prove it too. Matter of fact, I got 2 racks full of games to prove it too. Will be uploading to profile shortly. I've invested way too much money into gaming to have some1 I dont even know question me about it.

 



Words Of Wisdom said:
docholliday said:
LMAO at the ppl who take such great offense to what the OP does. You would think this guy stole your daughters virginity or some shit, my god. Im not gonna condone piracy, but its his business. If he gets caught then so be it. But there are much bigger and more important fights to be fought in this world than piracy.

I dont pirate myself, but ive damn sure thought about it before. And I know ppl that do, but to each their own. For instance, I got laid off from my job of over 2 years and knew money was gonna be very tight until I found work again. I had a buddy that was gonna mod my 360 so I could play burnt games. Now its obvious I wasnt gonna to buy the games without any income, so was I really taking money away from anyone?? Luckily I found work and have purchased all my games legally though.


Let's say you pirate 20 games on their 360.  At full retail price, that's 20 times $60 or $1200 (plus tax) of merchandise you have illegally obtained.  Who is hurt by this?

1)  The government.  Sales tax equates to government funding so the less you buy the less money the government receives.
2)  The retailer.  Retailers do not have unlimited space and it's generally a battle to see what product lines get XYZ space.  Anyone who has ever watched an electronics department downsize (fewer shelves/display cases) should understand that if products are not selling, they will carry less.
3)  The publisher.  The fewer sales they see, the less risk they're willing to take on new IPs.  When a publisher is doing well, there's plenty of money to go around and are likely much more willing to put forth venture capital and sponsor new IPs.  When a publisher is not doing well... we have that situation today so you might as well look around.
4)  The developer.  Companies are closing doors during this time because of lack of profit.  Games are getting cut from upcoming lists because of lack of funding.  If they can't profit off the games they're making, we won't see them make as many games and franchises may be discontinued.

and finally...

5)  The gamer.  We see fewer games in stores, fewer new IPs coming, fewer games coming entirely, and companies that some of us will miss closing their doors.

And no, piracy is not 100% to blame for anything above.  However, that $1200 (plus tax) you didn't put into the video game market by pirating 20 games on your 360 is contributing to it.


@bolded : I don't believe that for a second.


(PS:  My list misses a lot of others like general stakeholders of companies but you get the idea.)

 

One, pretty much everything you said is opinion or a lie.  If an individual has no money to make a purchase, there is nothing to tax for the government, no revenues for the retailer, no profits for the dev etc.  You can't squeeze blood from a stone, after all, and you'd have to be a very big moron to think that you could.

Two, where do YOU get off calling others liars?  Not a single thing you said is factually accurate.  Again, none of those people could have gotten anything from him if he didn't have it to give.



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misterd said:
Words Of Wisdom said:

Right on.

Piracy is thievery. Thieves are parasites.

 

 

Theft:

1. (Law) The act of stealing; specifically, the felonious taking and removing of personal property, with an intent to deprive the rightful owner of the same; larceny.

Nothing goes missing, therefore piracy is not theft.  Not legally, not even de facto.  You'd be wise to find some wit before you go and make us read your spit.



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docholliday said:

(1) Your points are valid, if the pirate would purchase the items if they couldnt download them illegally. Which cant be proven/disproven. So that point could go back and forth all day long, because without out some extensive survey to find out the typical behavior of a private its just pure speculation.

(2) And @ bolded, yea I bought all my games. I have a drawer full of receipts to prove it too. Matter of fact, I got 2 racks full of games to prove it too. Will be uploading to profile shortly. I've invested way too much money into gaming to have some1 I dont even know question me about it.

(1)  That's a false dilemma.  If you go to a theatre and watch a movie without buying a ticket, it doesn't matter whether you would have bought a ticket, you have seen the movie and benefited.  Pirates absolutely love defending themselves with "Well I wouldn't have bought it anyway" but in reality it just doesn't matter.  You aren't a thief because you enjoyed the pirated game, you're a thief because you played the pirated game regardless of whether you enjoyed it or would/would not have bought it.

(2)  I don't believe it for a second.  I don't believe that there exists someone who can say "Here is everything I've ever pirated and here are legal copies of every single item" whether we're talking about games, music, software, or whatever.  It's not necessarily you (maybe you are that rare mystical person who defies my belief), but I don't have enough faith in people as a whole to swallow that line.  Nothing personal.



LOL in my country the mayority of game shops sells backups games (for PS2, Wii and Xbox360).
A friend of mine has more than 70 PS2 games, all backups, and he paid less than U$S 3 each.



Words Of Wisdom said:
docholliday said:

(1) Your points are valid, if the pirate would purchase the items if they couldnt download them illegally. Which cant be proven/disproven. So that point could go back and forth all day long, because without out some extensive survey to find out the typical behavior of a private its just pure speculation.

(2) And @ bolded, yea I bought all my games. I have a drawer full of receipts to prove it too. Matter of fact, I got 2 racks full of games to prove it too. Will be uploading to profile shortly. I've invested way too much money into gaming to have some1 I dont even know question me about it.

(1)  That's a false dilemma.  If you go to a theatre and watch a movie without buying a ticket, it doesn't matter whether you would have bought a ticket, you have seen the movie and benefited.  Pirates absolutely love defending themselves with "Well I wouldn't have bought it anyway" but in reality it just doesn't matter.  You aren't a thief because you enjoyed the pirated game, you're a thief because you played the pirated game regardless of whether you enjoyed it or would/would not have bought it.

(2)  I don't believe it for a second.  I don't believe that there exists someone who can say "Here is everything I've ever pirated and here are legal copies of every single item" whether we're talking about games, music, software, or whatever.  It's not necessarily you (maybe you are that rare mystical person who defies my belief), but I don't have enough faith in people as a whole to swallow that line.  Nothing personal.

(1) The discussion you brought up before was about the financial ramifications. Now its about personal gain for the pirate? You cant argue money one time and then come back with morality the next. The two honestly have nothing to do with eachother.

(2) WHEN did I ever say that I pirated a single game ever? When? I said I thought about it, You mean to tell me YOUR that one mystically person who has never thought about doing something and then decided against it? Btw just took my pictures, im not sure how else to prove that all my games are legit, as im not about to take pictures of every damn receipt i have lol. But let me guess, I pirated all my games, bought the cases for them and printed out the covers, intstruction manuals right?

 



Words Of Wisdom said:
docholliday said:

(1) Your points are valid, if the pirate would purchase the items if they couldnt download them illegally. Which cant be proven/disproven. So that point could go back and forth all day long, because without out some extensive survey to find out the typical behavior of a private its just pure speculation.

(2) And @ bolded, yea I bought all my games. I have a drawer full of receipts to prove it too. Matter of fact, I got 2 racks full of games to prove it too. Will be uploading to profile shortly. I've invested way too much money into gaming to have some1 I dont even know question me about

(1)  That's a false dilemma.  If you go to a theatre and watch a movie without buying a ticket, it doesn't matter whether you would have bought a ticket, you have seen the movie and benefited.  Pirates absolutely love defending themselves with "Well I wouldn't have bought it anyway" but in reality it just doesn't matter.  You aren't a thief because you enjoyed the pirated game, you're a thief because you played the pirated game regardless of whether you enjoyed it or would/would not have bought it.

(2)  I don't believe it for a second.  I don't believe that there exists someone who can say "Here is everything I've ever pirated and here are legal copies of every single item" whether we're talking about games, music, software, or whatever.  It's not necessarily you (maybe you are that rare mystical person who defies my belief), but I don't have enough faith in people as a whole to swallow that line.  Nothing personal.

 

(1) In neither instance are you a thief.  Neither piracy nor sneaking into theaters are charged criminally as theft because neither is theft.  Theft occurs when one is deprived of their property.

Also, it's not a false dilema. If the person has no money to buy a game or see a movie then there is no way to take money from them.  The vast majority of priates come from third world nations and make 4 digit anual salaries.  Hold them by the ankles and shake 'til you're blue in the face and you still won't get anything from them.  If they have nothing to give and they don't actually deprive anyone else of anything they own,  There is neither gain to be hard or harm to be done in people playing a game they can't otherwise afford by pirating it.  Frankly, if they switched over to buying used copies the only people to benefit are the government and game stores, not the makers.  That is, after all, why companies like NIntendo and Sony took stores to court to try to stop used game sales a decade ago.  No one in the industry gets helped by it, and if the devs had their way they would eliminate gamestop before they took down the pirate's bay.  Guarenteed.

(2) That's like, your opinion man.



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