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darthdevidem01 said:
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well done!

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HappySqurriel said:

1) At the end of 2010 the PS3's capabilities will be similar to what the Wii's capabilities were at the end of 2006 (when it launched).

 

Yes, but how much more HD can you get than HD?  Maybe newer consoles can have more shit onscreen, etc., but at least PS3 games won't look objectively ugly in 2010 the way too many Wii games do now.  Plus, if Wii games are good enough for the masses now, cheap PS3 games on a cheap PS3 will be better than good enough then.

 

And to the posters in this thread who say something like "these features made PS3 last place" :  PS3's price actuallly made PS3 last place.  The OP's point, I think, was that the features themselves are good, currently setting PS3 apart feature-wise.  The features are now cheaper to implement, and since they are also good features, they may be good choices going forward.  I do agree with y'all that if either of the other 2 consoles was in the same price range as PS3 originally, they'd have been steamrolled.

Especially beneficial, without much extra cost, is the open-ness of PSN.  I fear that Sony is/was too slow in getting some huge PC IPs onto PS3, and that when they finally get around to it, MS will just make an exception or change their XBox Live control-Nazi ways to allow the game to come to 360, as well.  But allowing 3rd parties to charge monthly fees for their blockbuster games could have really helped PS3, if Sony could have gotten, say, Blizzard or someone to bring a huge game to PS3.



1. Build a Future-Proof Console

Yeah right. There is no proof besides Sony saying themselves that this console will last ten years. If anything Sony may cave into to competition if the XBox 720/Wii HD somehow ends up looking better then the PS3 and being just as cheap. If anythings apparent from recent Sony losses and Microsoft's first XBox losses and 360 gains It's that they won't be charging as much and will try to make close to a profit on launch. If the PS3 is still $200 in four years and the next XBox is $300, I guarantee people will buy the $300 console because It would be the latest and greatest thing. Again, I don't see another console coming out that is more then $300 otherwise they have to worry about lack of sales. Case in point PS3 sales.

2. I don't understand this at all. What's so hard to download on XBLA or WiiWare? Also XBLA looks to have more content then PSN has. Much more.

3. Make Rechargeable Batteries the Standard - I have to agree with this.

4. Implement Blu-ray - Microsoft and Nintendo obviously have other patented media that will be able to store larger amounts of data. This is not necessary, and also within a few years Blu-Ray players should be down to $99 or less.

5. Make a More Media Friendly Console - Not necessary for games. I have a PC.

6. Put a Hard Drive in Every Console - As long as It's reasonable cost wise. Don't throw on a 200 gig hard drive if it ends up costing us another $100 in console price.




It's just that simple.

Loud_Hot_White_Box said:
HappySqurriel said:

1) At the end of 2010 the PS3's capabilities will be similar to what the Wii's capabilities were at the end of 2006 (when it launched).

 

Yes, but how much more HD can you get than HD?  Maybe newer consoles can have more shit onscreen, etc., but at least PS3 games won't look objectively ugly in 2010 the way too many Wii games do now.  Plus, if Wii games are good enough for the masses now, cheap PS3 games on a cheap PS3 will be better than good enough then.

 

And to the posters in this thread who say something like "these features made PS3 last place" :  PS3's price actuallly made PS3 last place.  The OP's point, I think, was that the features themselves are good, currently setting PS3 apart feature-wise.  The features are now cheaper to implement, and since they are also good features, they may be good choices going forward.  I do agree with y'all that if either of the other 2 consoles was in the same price range as PS3 originally, they'd have been steamrolled.

Especially beneficial, without much extra cost, is the open-ness of PSN.  I fear that Sony is/was too slow in getting some huge PC IPs onto PS3, and that when they finally get around to it, MS will just make an exception or change their XBox Live control-Nazi ways to allow the game to come to 360, as well.  But allowing 3rd parties to charge monthly fees for their blockbuster games could have really helped PS3, if Sony could have gotten, say, Blizzard or someone to bring a huge game to PS3.

The PS3's pricing and features are not independent of eachother no matter how much you'd want them to be. Obviously the PS3 lost because of it's price, but it has it's price because of it's features. You can't have one without the other. So yes, these features did make PS3 last place, because they caused the price to jack up enormously while still selling at a loss. No company should be making a console that costs approx $840 to produce. Sometimes it's best to leave some good ideas in the pot longer and bring them out when they are ready AND cost effective.

 



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You know if the PS3 was on top then yes you cold have hade this topic but since it is last I feel it is kind of pointless…

Sure the things you mention are cool but are they needed to succeed? No!
Are they needed to have better games? Again no!



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Really I don't get this stupid 10 year plan...

I mean what's stopping MS and Nintendo to release new consoles wich is equal or better then PS3 years before Sonys 10 year plan is up?

Then what? who would even care if PS3 passes Wii in year 2016 when Nintendos new console would have been out 3-4 years already?



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1. Future Proof? Yeah Right have you noticed how much RAM does PS3 have? Plus people should really stop with the 10 year cicle, because its simply not going to happen.

2. VC > XBLA + PSN + WiiWare

3. Agreed Wii and 360 could use that, but since you can get them quite cheaply is not that much of a big deal.

4. Blu-Ray is it that important? Most games on the PS3 use as much space as the 360 ones because they are multiplats. Blu Ray apart from space does not have that many advantages in terms of Gaming on PS3.

5. Well 360 is perfeclty media friendly, Wii has a few available options but they still are Gaming consoles so for me its not really that important.

6. Agreed



Loud_Hot_White_Box said:
HappySqurriel said:

1) At the end of 2010 the PS3's capabilities will be similar to what the Wii's capabilities were at the end of 2006 (when it launched).

 

Yes, but how much more HD can you get than HD? Maybe newer consoles can have more shit onscreen, etc., but at least PS3 games won't look objectively ugly in 2010 the way too many Wii games do now. Plus, if Wii games are good enough for the masses now, cheap PS3 games on a cheap PS3 will be better than good enough then.

 

While it has become clear that graphics are not the main selling feature of a console, and people would probably be entirely pleased with PS3 level graphics in 3 or 4 years, the PS3 lacks the main selling feature that people were looking for in this generation which only hurts it more and more as time goes on ...

Beyond that, the PS3's graphics may be good but as developers start having access to hardware that is capable of playing a game like Crysis at above 1080p, at ultra-high detail at a framerate above 120fps the PS3's graphics (in particular "Realistic" games) will start to look more and more primitive.

 



richardhutnik said:
He who attempts to make something "futureproof" will make what he has resistant to having a future.

 

This post is hilarious! Pun of the year!



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that was a pretty awful list. when clicking on this thread i thought it was gonna be a list of 6 games cuz i couldn't think of anything outside of sony exclusives that microsoft and nintendo could possibly want from sony.

1. Build a future proof console - this is not a real thing, its just a marketing scheme. besides there isn't really any noticeable difference in power between ps3 and 360 so it doesn't even make sense in the context brought up here. the only thing that makes a system "future proof" is popularity, so in that sense the wii is the only future proof system, just like ps2 and psx were future proof despite being the least powerful systems, because they dominated the market.

2. make a less restricted downloadable game market - uhh, i'm pretty sure ps3 has the WORST downloadable game market. wii has by far the best with the amazing VC and the already good wiiware games which are only gonna get better since it just came out last spring.

3. make rechargeable batteries standard - that would be nice. but i have no problem just using my rechargeable batteries for my wii controllers so its no big deal.

4. implement blu-ray - umm, please no. thats a horrible idea. blu-ray is the reason why ps3 is in last place and it doesn't add anything to the gameplay.

5. make a more media friendly console - so by this you mean what has the most multi-media features. well, again that doesn't do anything to improve the games so its kinda pointless. i'd say the wii does the best job since it didn't jack up the price by putting in pointless non-gaming related features like movie playback.

6. put a harddrive in every console - yeah, every console does have a harddrive. wii and 360 arcade have small harddrives but they are there. yeah the wii should have a harddrive of like 2-5gigs rather than half a gig, but its not that bad. but i sorta agree with this since it would be nice to have a couple gigs of flash in the wii.

overall, this list doesn't really make any sense.



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