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That Guy said:
im_sneaky said:
That Guy said:
halogamer1989 said:
That Guy said:
i'd think you'd much rather vote for a box of rocks rather than obama.

If Box of Rocks (R) was the only other choice, then yes

 

So what if it was Box of Rocks (D)?

 

I would think you should be more concerned about a person and how he does, and not focus so much on the letter in parantheses by his name ^_^

 

I have a hunch.. that whenever a US election comes around more people will vote for (R) no matter what than (D), it's like the Democrats have to win a large majority of undecided voters every time.. correct me if im wrong?

 

you're sort of on the right track there.

There are not as many republicans, but they are much more organized and ideologically similar, so they function more like a bloc.

There are more democrats, but they represent more of a coalition of different groups, i.e. minorities, women, the LBGT community, the Jewish community, etc. etc. Because they are so diverse, they don't always agree on everything and naturally is not as united or as organized as the republican party.

 

 

democrats also have machines in place, do say they don't exist, I've worked in union towns were if you want to work you register democrat,

also I find it funny that leftist call fear mongering, when I recall several times leftists claiming McCane would start world war 3, everbody uses fearmongering

on a related note Russia is producing nukes again!

http://www.topix.com/world/2008/12/russia-orders-70-new-nuclear-missiles



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HappySqurriel said:
damkira said:
O-D-C said:
No Im Canadian. But I like the new guy you got. Good for you.

We dont even have a goverment anymore. :/

 

Wow.. Please excuse my ignorance of your country... but what happened? I always thought of Canada as a stable democracy.

 

 

He's just being melodramatic ...

Canada is currently being governed by a minority conservative government, and late last year the Conservative Prime Minister (Stephen Harper) tried to take advantage of a weak opposition Liberal party and their inept leader (Stephan Dion) and to change campaign finance. Without going into too much detail, the changes would be very negative for the Liberal party (potentially forcing them into bankruptcy) and only moderately negative for any other party.

Needless to say this did not go over to well with the Liberals and they decided to form a coalition with the less popular socialist party (NDP) and the separatists (Bloc Quebecois). Now, most Canadians didn’t have a problem with the proposed changes to campaign finance and agreed that a party should get the bulk of its funding from its membership, so the coalition tried to sell itself on the conservative government’s lack of stimulus for the economy. Unfortunately for the Coalition Canadian’s do not really want or see the need for stimulus on the same level as other countries, and the idea of a coalition government is amazingly unpopular.

Recently the Liberal’s broke their own constitution and appointed a leader to run the party who is far more likeable and competent than their previous leader; and it is unknown whether he would actually support the coalition. The Conservative government is tabling a budget early this week which has some stimulus spending in it as well as some tax cuts; if the budget is voted down another election could be called or the coalition could be asked to run the country. With what is in the budget it will be difficult to vote it down, so I would expect the Liberals to demand concessions from the Conservatives in order to abstain from the vote so that the budget passes.

Multi-party systems are so much more interesting.

Rather then us sucker americans who have to wait every couple years.

 



That Guy said:
im_sneaky said:
That Guy said:
halogamer1989 said:
That Guy said:
i'd think you'd much rather vote for a box of rocks rather than obama.

If Box of Rocks (R) was the only other choice, then yes

 

So what if it was Box of Rocks (D)?

 

I would think you should be more concerned about a person and how he does, and not focus so much on the letter in parantheses by his name ^_^

 

I have a hunch.. that whenever a US election comes around more people will vote for (R) no matter what than (D), it's like the Democrats have to win a large majority of undecided voters every time.. correct me if im wrong?

 

you're sort of on the right track there.

There are not as many republicans, but they are much more organized and ideologically similar, so they function more like a bloc.

There are more democrats, but they represent more of a coalition of different groups, i.e. minorities, women, the LBGT community, the Jewish community, etc. etc. Because they are so diverse, they don't always agree on everything and naturally is not as united or as organized as the republican party.

 

The republicans are actually just as split.  You just can't tell because they're all white guys that look the same... and they're more willing to just get behind someone they disagree with for a few years and play the "Devil you know" card.

Mostly because they already have everything pretty ok.

The minorites, LBGT and Jewish people still all vote the line democratic though... or just don't vote.

Also as for being organized.  The Democrats are just as organized as the Republicans.  The Republicans just feel more motivated to vote.  They get higher turnout naturally not through any sort of political machine.



Kasz216 said:
That Guy said:
im_sneaky said:
That Guy said:
halogamer1989 said:
That Guy said:
i'd think you'd much rather vote for a box of rocks rather than obama.

If Box of Rocks (R) was the only other choice, then yes

 

So what if it was Box of Rocks (D)?

 

I would think you should be more concerned about a person and how he does, and not focus so much on the letter in parantheses by his name ^_^

 

I have a hunch.. that whenever a US election comes around more people will vote for (R) no matter what than (D), it's like the Democrats have to win a large majority of undecided voters every time.. correct me if im wrong?

 

you're sort of on the right track there.

There are not as many republicans, but they are much more organized and ideologically similar, so they function more like a bloc.

There are more democrats, but they represent more of a coalition of different groups, i.e. minorities, women, the LBGT community, the Jewish community, etc. etc. Because they are so diverse, they don't always agree on everything and naturally is not as united or as organized as the republican party.

 

The republicans are actually just as split.  You just can't tell because they're all white guys that look the same... and they're more willing to just get behind someone they disagree with for a few years and play the "Devil you know" card.

Mostly because they already have everything pretty ok.

The minorites, LBGT and Jewish people still all vote the line democratic though... or just don't vote.

Also as for being organized.  The Democrats are just as organized as the Republicans.  The Republicans just feel more motivated to vote.  They get higher turnout naturally not through any sort of political machine.

 

 

Republicans are outnumbered by democrats so that is more motivation for them to have higher voter turnout.  I'm not sure how many people actually follow cspan but it is quite amazing how many democrats Obama has pissed off in his first week.  I'm beginning to think McCain and Obama had the same tactic just from different sides.



There's just one thing that folks don't understand about a suitcase nuke. Unless it's under a ton of water, you won't see a suitcase nuke ever enter this country.

As a writer, I was asking a friend of mine, who was majoring in chemistry and worked at a nuke plant, how could a person bring a nuke close to a major metro area without being detected. He said you would first have to check out the material, keep it hella cooled because it is visible - even under cover - by satellites. Basically, a semi liquid container truck with water could - *could* hide it.

For a suitcase nuke, I highly doubt it would ever happen. Ever wonder why a nuclear weapon like that has never gone off?

It's fiction - and believe you me - if a person had one, a Predator with some welcoming gifts will be headed their way.



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Onyxmeth said:

This seems like a really long way to ask everybody if they think it's a good idea we are closing Guantanamo Bay. I think it's a good idea right now.

 

I agree, but the closing of gitmo seems to be more symbolic than anything else. The US has other similar, but far less infamous centres all over the world and from the news reports I've read it isn't exactly clear what will happen with current gitmo immates. I can only assume that the immates there will be shipped off abroad. It seems like a PR move by Obama to clean up the international perception of the US more than an actual desire on his part for any sort of fundamental change.

 



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Kasz216 said:
That Guy said:
im_sneaky said:
That Guy said:
halogamer1989 said:
That Guy said:
i'd think you'd much rather vote for a box of rocks rather than obama.

If Box of Rocks (R) was the only other choice, then yes

 

So what if it was Box of Rocks (D)?

 

I would think you should be more concerned about a person and how he does, and not focus so much on the letter in parantheses by his name ^_^

 

I have a hunch.. that whenever a US election comes around more people will vote for (R) no matter what than (D), it's like the Democrats have to win a large majority of undecided voters every time.. correct me if im wrong?

 

you're sort of on the right track there.

There are not as many republicans, but they are much more organized and ideologically similar, so they function more like a bloc.

There are more democrats, but they represent more of a coalition of different groups, i.e. minorities, women, the LBGT community, the Jewish community, etc. etc. Because they are so diverse, they don't always agree on everything and naturally is not as united or as organized as the republican party.

 

The republicans are actually just as split.  You just can't tell because they're all white guys that look the same... and they're more willing to just get behind someone they disagree with for a few years and play the "Devil you know" card.

Mostly because they already have everything pretty ok.

The minorites, LBGT and Jewish people still all vote the line democratic though... or just don't vote.

Also as for being organized.  The Democrats are just as organized as the Republicans.  The Republicans just feel more motivated to vote.  They get higher turnout naturally not through any sort of political machine.

 

This is becoming quite the quote pyramid ^_^

::EDIT::

Well up until recently, I believe the Republicans were much much more organized. Things shifted ever since Al Gore "invented the internet." Howard Dean's internet donation system became the the foundation for the new Democratic party. With Dean as the president of the Democratic party, combined with Obama's charisma and army of bloggers and myspace people, the democratic party became an organizational Beast!

 

Anyways, there has been a rift between social conservatives and fiscal conservatives for a while now.  The argument right now is what the party should do in order to regain power. One group does not want to change their ideologies, whereas the other group has no problem moving closer towards the middle in order to gain more voters.

 

 



axumblade said:
Kasz216 said:
Bush got reelected after he let September 11th happen.

With such intellegence as "Osama Bin Laden planning to strike the US."

So... eh, depends on the sitch.

I agree with this statement.

 

 

I agree as well.



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