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It depends how much of an improvement you class as a generation leap, sure the wii does have better graphics than the xbox, but then that does have better grapphics than a PS2, based on pure graphical power i think theyre all pretty much in the same class.
I find it hard to get excited about so called next gen graphics personally, ive been gaming so long and seen so many amazing forthcoming games that its grown old to read how many millions of polygons are in each characters fingernails.

The other thing i find with 'next' gen is, yeah the 360 and PS3 are so much more powerful than their previous generation, but most of that power is taken by the HD resolution bump, on a SDTV, the graphics are still an improvement, but its not what i would call vast. Since about 75% of gamers still use SDTV, i dont think the Wii will fare too badly once its being utilised properly.

As far as im concerned, if games such as Mario Galaxy and Metroid were in 720p, they wouldnt look out of place on a 360.



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Soriku said:
@thors

I'm not comparing them! It has next-gen graphics due to graphics being better than the XBOX. Next-gen means it's better than the gen before and it is.

That makes no sense... You can't just say well its slightly better than last gen so lets round all the way up.

Thats like saying well you got a 80.1 on your test and since a B is 80... we are going to give you an A because well you did do slightly better than a B.  Even though your NOWHERE NEAR a 90.

I don't think your using much logic, how can you not compare next gen graphcis if your trying to lump it into the next gen graphics category?  Just because Wii is capable of better graphics than a Xbox, doesn't mean that every game will be better quality than the Xbox's.  It has already proven that that is not the case.



Most of the complaints about the Wii's graphics potential come from either reviewers, who review PS3/360 games on expensive 1080p televisions, or hardcore gamers, who also play games on expensive HDTVs. Comparing the PS3 or 360 to the Wii while playing both in 480i/480p narrows the "graphics gap" considerably - and it's actually a valid comparison to make, considering the majority of PS3/360 owners don't even own an HDTV.



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tk1989 said:
Saying theyre stupid is a bit too much imo. If you compare most games which are on both platforms, each will have its pros and cons, but generally (so far) the 360 has superior graphics, but barely. If you compare the graphics in Oblivion, you will notice that general textures and bumb mapping are superior in the 360 version, especially on the walls and floors, but the PS3 has a superior draw distance and better lighting and Bloom/HDR effects. 

The 360 does not have better graphics then the PS3. If you look at a a game that is on both consoles, you'll that that there is pretty much no difference at all. Right now the graphics look the samwe on both consoles. If there are differences, they're minor at best. Oblivion does not look better than the 360 verios at all. In fact, most people think the the PS3 version looks better, which is also not true. In order to find the differeces between the graphics, you would need to looks at screenshot, stare at them for hours, then see a minor difference.

Other examples are in games such as Madden 08, the 360 version and PS3 verion look identical, but the 360 version runs at 60fps, while the PS3 version at 30. One other example ive noticed is the game Fear, the PS3 version has washed-out visuals and a stuttering frame rate, while the 360 version doesnt.

Like you said, the graphics in 08 are identical on each console. Having 60fps does not equate to having better graphics. F.E.A.R is hardly a game worth comparing, as it didn't look good on neither console. Again, better framerate does not equate to having better graphics.

All these differences are no result though of differences in power though, its mainly because developers have been making games for the 360 for over one and a half years, while they are still getting familiar with the PS3 hardware, which has been out for less time.  So yes, at the moment the 360 generally has better graphics, but barely, and soon enough the PS3 will probably overtake the 360 (marginally though)

I really don't see how the 360 has better graphics then the PS3 right now. Something so petty like an extra tree, for instence, doesn't make the overall graphics better then the other console. Also, keep in mind that alot of the screen shots that have been compared have been played on different TV's with different brightness settings and such. I would bet any amount of money that if you played the same game on eatch console, you'll see that the graphics are, for the most part, the same.



@ kber 81, funny that, metroid prime 3 looks way better to me...



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GBA:The Legend of Zelda:The Minish Cap
DS:Lunar Knights, Pokemon Diamond, The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass ,Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare, Hotel Dusk:Room 215, Mario vs DK 2: March of the Mini's and Picross DS
PS2: Devil May Cry 3:Dante's Awakening, Shadow of the Colosuss, Sega Mega Drive Collection, XIII , Sonic Mega Collection,Fifa 08 and Fifa 09.
GC:Fight Night Round 2
Wii VC:Super Mario 64 ,Lylat Wars ,Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest, Super Castlevania IV, Sonic the Hedgehog 2, Streets of Rage, Kirby's Adventure, Super Metroid, Super Mario Bros. 3, Mega Man 2Street Fighter 2 Turbo: Hyper Fighting,Wave Race 64 and Lost Winds

Wii: Sonic and the Secret Rings, Godfather:Blackhand Edition, Red Steel, Tony Hawks Downhill Jam, Eledees, Rayman Raving Rabbids, Mario Strikers Charged Football,Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, Super Mario Galaxy,House of the Dead 2 and 3 Return, Wii Fit, No More Heroes and Super Smash Bros. Brawl.

X360: Spider Man
PS3:
Resistance: Fall of Man

 

 

 

 

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Game spot is trying there hardest to prove that the 360 is better than the ps3. Its easy to see, they are extreemly biased towards the 360. For peeks sake all of them own a 360, maybe a wii, but only one(the new guy) owns a ps3. They blurted it out in E3 live, when uncharted was being played, the guy looked at it like he was mad or sometin. (No this isnt me being an idiot look at the videos yourself). So dont you ever even think of trusting gamespot for screenshot comparisons. Look at vids, and the majoraty of the vids give the ps3 the advantage in terms of graphics.



 

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How come we have again this conversation.

It's interesting how people talk about 360 and PS3 having next gen graphics.
When i thought it for a moment, i have to say that i agree. The current generation isn't yet HD-era. How come i said that? Well, i was thinking that let the markets decide, since gaming forums can't agree on that one (who wants to bet, that there will be more SD games sold this gen, than HD games).
So, this means that Wii is the only console, with current gen graphics (better than last, but no HD). Wii haven't yet shown us it's full graphical abilities, graphically best games so far have been GC ports.
Since people always like to bring out the MHz, i like to point out, that 360 has only twice as powerful GPU than Wii, and PS3 isn't much better in this subject. So with this way of thinking, Wii does 480p better than 360 or PS3 does 720p. So, for the same level of graphics, they need to use 480p also... Edit: Had a typo...



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people say that because it isn't as graphically impressive as the PS3/360. People think the graphics have to be as good as the 360 or PS3 or people view them as past gen graphics. They don't even notice that some Wii games highly outdo the best gamecube games. If the graphics are better than the past gen then it is next gen graphics.



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the wii has 'last gen graphics' because most of the games that have come out for it have been effortless cash-ins and ports which barely use 20% of the consoles power...



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Games purchased since December 30th 2006:
GBA:The Legend of Zelda:The Minish Cap
DS:Lunar Knights, Pokemon Diamond, The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass ,Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare, Hotel Dusk:Room 215, Mario vs DK 2: March of the Mini's and Picross DS
PS2: Devil May Cry 3:Dante's Awakening, Shadow of the Colosuss, Sega Mega Drive Collection, XIII , Sonic Mega Collection,Fifa 08 and Fifa 09.
GC:Fight Night Round 2
Wii VC:Super Mario 64 ,Lylat Wars ,Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest, Super Castlevania IV, Sonic the Hedgehog 2, Streets of Rage, Kirby's Adventure, Super Metroid, Super Mario Bros. 3, Mega Man 2Street Fighter 2 Turbo: Hyper Fighting,Wave Race 64 and Lost Winds

Wii: Sonic and the Secret Rings, Godfather:Blackhand Edition, Red Steel, Tony Hawks Downhill Jam, Eledees, Rayman Raving Rabbids, Mario Strikers Charged Football,Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, Super Mario Galaxy,House of the Dead 2 and 3 Return, Wii Fit, No More Heroes and Super Smash Bros. Brawl.

X360: Spider Man
PS3:
Resistance: Fall of Man

 

 

 

 

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