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Snesboy said:
coolestguyever said:
I'm pro choise. Do you really think its a good idea for a 15 year old girl to have her life ruined thanks to a baby she had accidentally?
Accidentally? She's a fucking moron for having "unprotected" sex. Let her life be ruined!

Even if you're being facetious (and I don't know if you are), I'd like to point out that birth control is not 100% effective. 

Also:  even if you are in favor of a punishment so grotesque for the mother, what justifies causing a life to be lived that is more likely to be miserable?  What of the cost to society?



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Final-Fan said:
Snesboy said:
coolestguyever said:
I'm pro choise. Do you really think its a good idea for a 15 year old girl to have her life ruined thanks to a baby she had accidentally?
Accidentally? She's a fucking moron for having "unprotected" sex. Let her life be ruined!

Even if you're being facetious (and I don't know if you are), I'd like to point out that birth control is not 100% effective. 

Also:  even if you are in favor of a punishment so grotesque for the mother, what justifies causing a life to be lived that is more likely to be miserable?  What of the cost to society?

I know birth control isn't 100% effective. Theoretically, a baby can be conceived if the couple are using condoms, the woman is on birth control, she's infertile that time of the month, and he pull's out. I am not saying it's impossible, just very unlikely.

Nothing. There are alternatives to abortion though.

I need to shut my mouth.



Murdering a baby should never be an option.

Just because she does not get an abortion does not mean the kid has to live a bad life by a bad mother - she can always give the baby up for adoption, and be adopted by able, loving parents.

I am pro-life to the nth degree. I plan on having no natural kids in favor of adopting as many kids as possible for that said reason. All pro-lifers should live by that mantra, and adopt as many kids as possible. 90%+ of all abortions are done not for health, but the fact the kid is unwanted. Pro-lifers need to work to change adoption laws, and destroy abortion by making it the most illogical choice by ensuring the baby is wanted - even if not by it's natural mother.

At one time in history, blacks were considered less than humans too - property - just like unborn babies. This argument is one in the same. Cut it any way you want, but when your terminating life that can exist outside the womb, your still killing a human.

And it's also a shame that in hospitals (as well as everywhere), so much respect is placed on the expecting mother - warnings are posted everywhere to ensure that no ill effects are transferred on the baby. Despite this, we still murder them if the mother has a change of heart. Babies aren't property. They're people.



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mrstickball said:
Murdering a baby should never be an option.

Just because she does not get an abortion does not mean the kid has to live a bad life by a bad mother - she can always give the baby up for adoption, and be adopted by able, loving parents.


I am pro-life to the nth degree. I plan on having no natural kids in favor of adopting as many kids as possible for that said reason. All pro-lifers should live by that mantra, and adopt as many kids as possible. 90%+ of all abortions are done not for health, but the fact the kid is unwanted. Pro-lifers need to work to change adoption laws, and destroy abortion by making it the most illogical choice by ensuring the baby is wanted - even if not by it's natural mother.

At one time in history, blacks were considered less than humans too - property - just like unborn babies. This argument is one in the same. Cut it any way you want, but when your terminating life that can exist outside the womb, your still killing a human.

And it's also a shame that in hospitals (as well as everywhere), so much respect is placed on the expecting mother - warnings are posted everywhere to ensure that no ill effects are transferred on the baby. Despite this, we still murder them if the mother has a change of heart. Babies aren't property. They're people.

Do you have any idea how poorly run the adoption and foster care system is?  Its just plain pathetic.  I'd almost rather be aborted myself than have to go through what some of those kids do.

At least you plan on adopting kids, so you are sticking to your guns.  You are practicing what you preach, so I can't fault you for that.

I don't think the argument that blacks and fetuses don't have constitutionally protected rights is anything the same...one is based on racism and pseudo-science whereas the other is based on personal choice and a person's due process rights.  We don't prosecute people for drinking alcohol while they are pregnant and doing whatever else they want to their body, even if it causes a miscarriage.  How is abortion any different?

I also don't see why people think that science is necessarily on their side either who are pro-life.  I mean scientifically speaking, life doesn't begin at conception.  The egg and the sperm were both alive already.  There was no magical transformation from living to dead.  Its just two cells that turn into a glob of cells that will grow into a larger organism.  Development begins at conception, but life doesn't begin at conception.

 



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@MrStickBall.
Prove it. Prove that an unborn fetus is a person.

You can't because there is no universal definition of what constitutes a person. To a very large number of people a fetus isn't a person any more than a blood cell is a person.

Your black people argument is a straw man. Nobody here is debating whether black people are people (and I hope nobody believes they are not) and proving that black people are people does not prove the fetus' are people. Its an entirely different situation.

@Snesboy. So you think its right that because a person made a moronic decision that their entire life should be utterly fucked over? I can understand the argument against abortion that its killing a person (because many people believe that a person is from conception) but I'd hope that most pro-lifers don't think its good for peoples lives to be wrecked as a punishment for a bad decision.



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I like how the thread is beginning to erupt into big debate despite the thread creator saying:

"Simply post to say whether you're Pro Choice or Pro Life"

It's like people can't say their position without giving their OH SO IMPORTANT opinion. Ahh, nevermind me.



 

 

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MontanaHatchet said:

I like how the thread is beginning to erupt into big debate despite the thread creator saying:

"Simply post to say whether you're Pro Choice or Pro Life"

It's like people can't say their position without giving their OH SO IMPORTANT opinion. Ahh, nevermind me.

 

Or I simply love debating and didn't read the OP =P

Arguments are much more fun than just a string of one word posts.



MontanaHatchet said:

I like how the thread is beginning to erupt into big debate despite the thread creator saying:

"Simply post to say whether you're Pro Choice or Pro Life"

It's like people can't say their position without giving their OH SO IMPORTANT opinion. Ahh, nevermind me.

Once you get to the second page the original topic doesn't matter anymore.  Duh!

 



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

I know, I'm just teasing. It's always a /facepalm moment for me when normal threads erupt into huge debate after 1 or 2 controversial posts. It's almost like everyone was just waiting for one post to lambaste.