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Forums - Sales Discussion - The Official December NPD 2008 Thread

NJ5 said:

@mike_intellivision: One thing that I have always wondered about is how NPD's corrections are reflected in the data they publish.

There are two possibilities:

1- Corrections are done by adding or subtracting the correction amount from later months' numbers.

2- Corrections are simply not reflected in the published data.

In case 1, we can't trust the monthly data. In case 2, we can't trust neither the monthly data nor the accumulated data.

Either way, there's something we can't trust about NPD numbers. In both cases, we can't trust the monthly data.

 

One way to check this would be to sum up the montly reported sales for a console and see if it totals to the annual reported sales.

If S(TR) = S(01R)+ ... + S(12R) (total reported equals the sum of monthly repoprted), then any adjustments would be done within the context of the reported data (in other words, overestimation in time period 06 is corrected through a reduction in time period 07.

If S(TR) <> S(01R)+ ... + S(12R) (total reported does not equal the sum of the monthly reported), then adjustments are done separately from the monthly estimates. Notice I removed the word "any" from the statement as there would have to be adjustments for the numbers to not equal.

Because NPD is a paid service with propritary information, we only know what it chooses to make public. Clients would probably know how adjustments are handled -- but probably are prohibited from talking about them publically because of NDAs.

My guess is that there are adjustments -- just a lack of "transparency" (to use a word currently popular in the United States with respect to knowing what government is doing.). I base this on looking at the actions of the US Census Bureau. One thing it does is issue annual estimates of population.  The Annual Estimates of the Resident Population -- April 1, 2000 to July 1, 2008 shows the current population of WV as 1.814M and the 2007 population as 1.810M (http://www.census.gov/popest/states/NST-ann-est.html). However, the estimate from 2000 to 2007 shows the 2007 population as 1.812M (http://www.census.gov/popest/archives/2000s/)

Basically, it recalcuates the estimates every year. And the Census Bureau freely admits this (remember governmental transparency): "The Population Estimates Program annually produces population estimates based upon the last decennial census for general purpose governmental units (ie., Nation, state, county). Each year, we re-calculate the estimates in the time series for previously released years using the most up-to-date demographic components of change and legal boundaries available."

So I would guess that NPD does something similar with sales data.

 

Mike from Morgantown

 



      


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Esa-Petteri said:

Yeah, it is pretty clear. Ninty did not sell everything it shipped. Omg!

 

 

As has been said before -- US is very different than UK.

Right now, half a month into the new year, Amazon has no Wiis in the US to directly sell to customers. It has to refer them to other sellers Meanwhile, there is a slight price discount direct from Amazon (3 UKP) on the Wii in the UK.

So while there might be stock in the UK, there is virtually none to be found in the US. And its not just Amazon. The largest gamer store (Game Stop), the largest electronics seller (Best Buy) and the largest retailer (Wal-Mart) are all out of Wiis. And the largest toy store (Toys R Us) offers them only in a bundle.

Mike from Morgantown

PS -- I was going to buy me a set of those PJs until I saw they were short sleeved shirts.



      


I am Mario.


I like to jump around, and would lead a fairly serene and aimless existence if it weren't for my friends always getting into trouble. I love to help out, even when it puts me at risk. I seem to make friends with people who just can't stay out of trouble.

Wii Friend Code: 1624 6601 1126 1492

NNID: Mike_INTV

NJ5 said:

@Oyvoyvoyv: This is in Nintendo's spin:

* In December, Nintendo titles filled 20 of the top 30 spots on the best-seller list. Six games made for Nintendo systems placed in the top 10, including Wii Music™ for Wii (No. 9), which has now sold 865,000 units following its launch in October 2008, and Mario Kart DS for the Nintendo DS (No. 7), which has sold a total of 4.3 million units 38 months after launch.


Nintendo titles would seem to refer to titles published by them, but since this is spin you never know.

 

 

 My mistake, I thought you were refering to the full year, not just December.

 



http://www.vgchartz.com/games/userreviewdisp.php?id=261

That is VGChartz LONGEST review. And it's NOT Cute Kitten DS

dolemit3 said:

This made me laugh (from neogaf):

 

This got a huge lol from me ha

 



I hope my 360 doesn't RRoD
         "Suck my balls!" - Tag courtesy of Fkusmot

{I trust npd numbers more than a random guy on internet saying "wii sells everything nintendo ships"}


so ioi is just a random guy?



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Here is the top 20 software. It can't be good the playstation family had only 2 titles.

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=21906



More lists.

http://blog.wired.com/games/2009/01/top-10-games-of.html

Top 10 Wii Games

  1. WII WII PLAY W/ REMOTE    NINTENDO OF AMERICA
  2. WII WII FIT    NINTENDO OF AMERICA
  3. WII MARIO KART    NINTENDO OF AMERICA
  4. WII GUITAR HERO WORLD TOUR*    ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
  5. WII ANIMAL CROSSING: CITY FOLK*    NINTENDO OF AMERICA
  6. WII WII MUSIC    NINTENDO OF AMERICA
  7. WII LINK'S CROSSBOW TRAINING    NINTENDO OF AMERICA
  8. WII CALL OF DUTY: WORLD AT WAR    ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
  9. WII SHAUN WHITE SNOWBOARDING: ROAD TRIP    UBISOFT
  10. WII NERF N STRIKE    ELECTRONIC ARTS

Top 10 Xbox 360 Games

  1. 360 CALL OF DUTY: WORLD AT WAR*    ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
  2. 360 GEARS OF WAR 2*    MICROSOFT
  3. 360 LEFT 4 DEAD    ELECTRONIC ARTS
  4. 360 FALLOUT 3*    BETHESDA SOFTWORKS
  5. 360 MADDEN NFL 09*    ELECTRONIC ARTS
  6. 360 GUITAR HERO WORLD TOUR*    ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
  7. 360 MORTAL KOMBAT VS. DC UNIVERSE*    MIDWAY
  8. 360 ROCK BAND 2*    MTV GAMES/ELECTRONIC ARTS
  9. 360 FABLE II*    MICROSOFT
  10. 360 PRINCE OF PERSIA*    UBISOFT

Top 10 PlayStation 2 Games

  1. PS2 GUITAR HERO WORLD TOUR*    ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
  2. PS2 MADDEN NFL 09    ELECTRONIC ARTS
  3. PS2 KINGDOM HEARTS RE: CHAIN OF MEMORIES    SQUARE ENIX INC
  4. PS2 WWE SMACKDOWN VS. RAW 2009    THQ
  5. PS2 ROCK BAND*    MTV GAMES/ELECTRONIC ARTS
  6. PS2 ACTION/ADVENTURE BUNDLE    MULTIPLE VIDEO GAME MANUFACTURER
  7. PS2 SONIC UNLEASHED    SEGA OF AMERICA
  8. PS2 LEGO BATMAN    WARNER INTERACTIVE
  9. PS2 CALL OF DUTY: WORLD AT WAR FINAL FRONTS    ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
  10. PS2 GUITAR HERO AEROSMITH*    ACTIVISION BLIZZARD

Top 10 PlayStation 3 Games

  1. PS3 CALL OF DUTY: WORLD AT WAR    ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
  2. PS3 MORTAL KOMBAT VS. DC UNIVERSE*    MIDWAY
  3. PS3 LITTLE BIG PLANET    SONY
  4. PS3 PRINCE OF PERSIA*    UBISOFT
  5. PS3 GUITAR HERO WORLD TOUR*    ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
  6. PS3 RESISTANCE 2*    SONY
  7. PS3 MADDEN NFL 09*    ELECTRONIC ARTS
  8. PS3 FALLOUT 3*    BETHESDA SOFTWORKS
  9. PS3 ROCK BAND 2*    MTV GAMES/ELECTRONIC ARTS
  10. PS3 NEED FOR SPEED: UNDERCOVER    ELECTRONIC ARTS

Top 10 Game Boy Advance Games

  1. GBA ACTION/ADVENTURE BUNDLE    MULTIPLE VIDEO GAME MANUFACTURER
  2. GBA YAHTZEE/PAYDAY/GAME OF LIFE    DESTINATION SOFTWARE INC.
  3. GBA HOT WHEELS: ALL OUT    DESTINATION SOFTWARE INC.
  4. GBA RISK/BATTLESHIP/CLUE    DESTINATION SOFTWARE INC.
  5. GBA UNO 52    DESTINATION SOFTWARE INC.
  6. GBA DISNEY PRINCESS: ROYAL ADVENTURE    DISNEY INTERACTIVE STUDIOS
  7. GBA PUPPY LUV: SPA & RESORT    ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
  8. GBA DISNEY'S ENCHANTED    DISNEY INTERACTIVE STUDIOS
  9. GBA DISNEY'S LITTLE MERMAID: MAGIC IN TWO KINGDOMS    DISNEY INTERACTIVE STUDIOS
  10. GBA MOUSETRAP/OPERATION/SIMON    DESTINATION SOFTWARE INC.

Top 10 Nintendo DS Games

  1. NDS MARIO KART    NINTENDO OF AMERICA
  2. NDS NEW SUPER MARIO BROS    NINTENDO OF AMERICA
  3. NDS PERSONAL TRAINER: COOKING    NINTENDO OF AMERICA
  4. NDS CLUB PENGUIN: ELITE PENGUIN FORCE    DISNEY INTERACTIVE STUDIOS
  5. NDS KIRBY SUPER STAR ULTRA    NINTENDO OF AMERICA
  6. NDS POKEMON RANGER: SHADOWS OF ALMIA    NINTENDO OF AMERICA
  7. NDS BRAIN AGE 2: MORE TRAINING IN MINUTES A DAY    NINTENDO OF AMERICA
  8. NDS MARIO PARTY    NINTENDO OF AMERICA
  9. NDS GUITAR HERO ON TOUR DECADES*    ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
  10. NDS BRAIN AGE: TRAIN YOUR BRAIN IN MINUTES A DAY    NINTENDO OF AMERICA

Top 10 PSP Games

  1. PSP MADDEN NFL 09    ELECTRONIC ARTS
  2. PSP WWE SMACKDOWN VS. RAW 2009    THQ
  3. PSP LEGO BATMAN    WARNER INTERACTIVE
  4. PSP MIDNIGHT CLUB: LA REMIX    TAKE 2 INTERACTIVE
  5. PSP STAR WARS: THE FORCE UNLEASHED    LUCASARTS
  6. PSP IRON MAN    SEGA OF AMERICA
  7. PSP NEED FOR SPEED: UNDERCOVER    ELECTRONIC ARTS
  8. PSP NBA LIVE 09    ELECTRONIC ARTS
  9. PSP GRAND THEFT AUTO: LIBERTY CITY STORIES    TAKE 2 INTERACTIVE
  10. PSP GRAND THEFT AUTO: VICE CITY STORIES    TAKE 2 INTERACTIVE

Top 10 Accessories

  1. WII NUNCHUK CONTROLLER    NINTENDO OF AMERICA
  2. WII REMOTE CONTROLLER W/ JACKET    NINTENDO OF AMERICA
  3. WII REMOTE CONTROLLER    NINTENDO OF AMERICA
  4. PS3 DUALSHOCK 3 WIRELESS CONTROLLER    SONY
  5. WII CHARGE STATION    NYKO
  6. WII WHEEL GRIP    NINTENDO OF AMERICA
  7. WII PERFECT SHOT GUN GRIP    NYKO
  8. 360 LIVE 12 MONTH GOLD CARD    MICROSOFT
  9. 360 WIRELESS CONTROLLER    MICROSOFT
  10. 360 WIRELESS CONTROLLER BLACK    MICROSOFT

*Includes all collector's editions, accessory bundles, etc.



No LBP love in the top 20?

But it's kinda moot without numbers x_x



DMeisterJ said:
No LBP love in the top 20?

But it's kinda moot without numbers x_x

 

There's a good chance it didn't even make the top 30, since there are only 3 non-nintendo spots left.



Did NPD always include NDS as part of the software sales list?  I don't recall ever seeing it as part of the list.  Am I wrong?