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PalmiNio on 15 January 2009
Magnific0 said:
Rab said:
Wii
December 2007: 1.35 million
December 2008: 2.15 million
+59%

360
December 2007: 1.26 million
December 2008: 1.44 million
+14%

PS3
December 2007: 797,600
December 2008: 726,000
-9%

@BengaBenga and other...ignorants replying to my previous post. Look at the numbers in red above...See them?

See the increase on 360 sales? does that look great to you when you're selling your system for as low as $199.99 on you THIRD YEAR (hint *sales peaking) ? LMAO to all of you. The PS3 kept the same exact price and it sold just as much. Hint: The key here is T-H-I-R-D  Y-E-A-R. and U-S-$ 2-0-0 P-R-I-C-E  P-O-I-N-T

Didn't you learn to swallow? aww, here's come the planeeeee.....now open WIDE.

 

 

So if Sony sells 726 000 on it's second year and 360 sold 1 260 000 million, how bad is Sony then? How are you going to spin that? And an actual sale drop from first year to second year with 9%, how do you spin that?



Predictions for 2009:

360: 39-42 PS3: 31-34 Wii: 67-70

Future projection

Wii will hit 100 million before christmas 2010 (made december 2008)

NDS Family will have sold and shipped more then PS2 at the end of 2009 (made january 2009)

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ameratsu on 15 January 2009
mrstickball said:
ameratsu said:
That Wii Play attach ratio is really something else. What could reasonably explain this? Maybe a lack of unbundled controllers? Regardless of what happened that's extremely impressive.

Entirely antecdotal, but when I went to a major US shopping mall (Easton in Columbus) employees were talking people that already owned Wiis into buying Wii Play since it was the 'cheapest' game they could get - as it included a controller.

 

 

Haha, well i guess that's actually true. I was in line at an EB games store this past summer and the guy infront of me was buying a Wii and Smash Bros for his kid. He asked for an extra controller, and the clerk gave him this sales pitch for Wii Play, and to me the pitch was reminicent of an electronics store employee trying to sell an extended warranty to an unsuspecting customer. Anecdotal like yours, but interesting imo.



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megaman79 on 15 January 2009
bigjon said:
TheSource said:

I'm very suspicious of the Wii number given that December had five weeks and that November had four.

2.04m/4 weeks in Nov = 510k/week

2.15m/5 weeks in Dec = 430k/week

 

Does anyone really believe Nintendo would ship more in November weeks than in December weeks? If they just sent a massive allocation for November and hoped it would hold and sent a comparable allocation for December its a pretty terrible tactical decision.

 

exactly Source, dont you recall last year, when NDP came in VGC was like 400k high. Then a few week later when fiscals were release it was revealed that VGC was actually too low in the first place. I think what throughs NDP off in December for Wii HW is the fact they dont track 60% of the market, and Walmart and TRU is included in that. I know for a fact my TRU where I live was getting massive Wii shipments. You cannot tell me the Wii averaged less per week in November than it did in December. VGC might be a bit high, like 300k or something, but not 800k.

 

So you mentioned Wallmart, which is like the only big retailer in the US to be doing pretty well before Christmas while the rest are dying, and how NDP don't use them? Hmm, that suggests some major calculation errors.

And thinking of Wii, most family friendly, almost the cheapest, etc, its designed for the Wallmart recession customer.



“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.

DMeisterJ on 15 January 2009
bigjon said:
DMeisterJ said:
Hyruken said:
DMeisterJ said:
FishyJoe said:
Nintendo and Activision make up 80% of the top 10. While Left 4 dead did better than expected, EA still got left in the dust. Not having RB2 for the Wii ready was inexcusable.

Considering how good RB1 (and GH: WT) was selling on the Wii, it was stupid.

Also, GH: WT may have finally put the nail in the coffin of the Wii/3rd party argument.

@ hyruken

No it's not good, but you act like the drop was like fifty percent or something.  Don't sensationalize.  It's worrying, but not life-or-death like you're coming across.

As I said, stop sensationalizing.

 Dude no offence but 9% is a MASSIVE drop. If it happened at any other time of the year then what you say would be true. But it wasen't. It was at the time of the year where majority of people buying a console will buy one such is how the holidays work. Is it normal that a console in its 3rd holiday drops that far? Not if you compare it to history it is not.

Sensationalizing would be to say something like "PS3 is dead", that is not what i said nor what i implied. It is the knock on effect of that is what is worrying. As i said Sony will have no option now but to do 1 of 2 things, either accept that in US at least they will not get 1st place and now looks very unlikely will come 2nd. The gap is now 8.34M in US between the PS3 and the 360. Or do a price cut and hope sales pick up. If they do that they risk losing many more billions because as Joe mentioned PS3 sales for games are not even that great. The top PS3 game of the year barely made it onto the list and then still got killed sales wise by the 360 version. That sends out a msg as mentioned that going exclusive on PS3 could be a huge gamble to 3rd party devs. So the PS3 is not doomed, far from it. But MS have played Sony like a bunch of chumps. While Sony are trying to figure out what to do MS have snuck in on their old stronghold of europe and started to make that replicate the american sales. The question as i mentioned becomes how long can Sony let MS beat them week after week in EU and US before saying "this gen is lost"? They have some massive decisions to make. If these numbers were not 9% down, say they were something like 2% Up they would not be under the same pressure to act. The next few weeks will be vital for the PS3 in terms of compeating for 2nd place in US in my view.

I didn't read this.

But it's not that serious to have to write a long drawn out paragraph over a 9 percent drop. 

Chill.

Um, he is right. You are wrong. The PS3 losing sales this year is a VERY bad thing. Its second non launch cmas is supposed to be a time of great growth, not declining sales.

I said that.

I said it's 'worrying'.  I never said that the drop wasn't bad.  >_>



TWRoO on 15 January 2009

Yes I found Wii Play figures from NPD last year.

(All figures by NPD)
Nov / Dec / %increase

Wii 2007: 981k / 1,350k / 46% increase
Wii 2008: 2,040k / 2,150k / 5% increase

W.Play 07: 564k / 1,080k / 91% increase
W.Play 08: 796k / 1,460k / 83% increase

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So Wii Play has had less of an increase than last year, but it still seems a bit of a stretch unless 200k parents bought Wii Play as a substitute because they couldn't find the console.

Except that Ebay thing doesn't show any spikes in Ebay prices for the Wii, as if the supply wasn't as bad as last year.



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FishyJoe on 15 January 2009

I don't think NPD tracks Toys R Us either. I'm guessing Walmart is #1 and TRU is in the top 4 in terms of largest Wii Retailers. Best Buy and Gamestop are probably in the 2-4 range.



NJ5 on 15 January 2009

Fortunately, shipment reports aren't far away. There seem to be a number of weird things regarding Wii hardware... Less Wiis per week than in November doesn't make any sense even if it's correct!



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TWRoO on 15 January 2009

Yes I found Wii Play figures from NPD last year.

(All figures by NPD)
Nov / Dec / %increase

Wii 2007: 981k / 1,350k / 46% increase
Wii 2008: 2,040k / 2,150k / 5% increase

W.Play 07: 564k / 1,080k / 91% increase
W.Play 08: 796k / 1,460k / 83% increase

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So Wii Play has had less of an increase than last year, but it still seems a bit of a stretch unless 200k parents bought Wii Play as a substitute because they couldn't find the console.

Except that Ebay thing doesn't show any spikes in Ebay prices for the Wii, as if the supply wasn't as bad as last year.



Avinash_Tyagi on 15 January 2009

I remember last year NPD said that Wii had sold less in dec 07 than VGC said it did, then the financials came out and VGC's original numbers turned out to be closer than NPD to the actual numbers



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Khuutra on 15 January 2009

When are financials coming out again?