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It is true that the American public is still in the Obamagasm phase, but I really don't see it as a bad thing that people are enthusiastic about the President. It's pretty uncommon considering how bad the times currently are economically. Very Reganesque, which portends greatly for Obama and the rest of the Democrats.

Lets hope they don't screw it up for everyone's sake. The economy is faltering again as we speak. The DOW is dropping like a rock, and we are likely to see more banks on the brink of bankruptcy.



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*Shakes head*

And here I was expecting a story about Canada's drug problem.



 

 

I decided that the war on drugs is completely necessary. Why? How else can the state have a work force that is coherent enough to be a labor force? If opium were widely ready and legal, I think you would see a big increase in use, because it relieves the pain from being fucked by the system. No honestly, I think that is why drugs aren't legal. You can say everything about education for something, but if people are looking for fulfillment they can't find in gross consumerism (especially now), then who wouldn't want to be totally obliterated.

Of course it doesn't completely stop drug flow, but it isolates it gives the state more power and marginalizes the complaints of addicts. No one ever asks why people want to do drugs (besides some are fun recreational), but why do some people always have to be either on uppers or downers, being flat fucking sucks. There may be something inherently flawed in the structure of western civilization, who knows? Maybe people really can't stand working 40 +hours a week (I am getting so off topic).

For the people criminilaziation isn't necessary, to maintain the states power and keep people in the dream, it is.

@Akuma - Dude. I know how many people smoke weed. I live in California. I go to UC Berkeley. I stayed in Santa Cruz for a while. Even when I lived in a little ass rural town in California (Sonora) with 4000 people in it, weed was extremely prevalent (so was meth though). I know its an anecdote, but I don't think I'm unrealistic about who smokes weed. I used to deal in high school, once to my girlfriends dad. ( it was awkward when we broke up and he still came to my workplace and asked to by an O).

I love you Akuma.

HOLY SHIT I WAS JUST looking at UN world drug report 2007. $8 gram for cocaine in the Congo and 90 cents for a gram of weed in like libya. Amazing.



do u know why that is? Because you get forced to buy like an ounce in these countries, you can't buy 1 gram



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akuma587 said:
It is true that the American public is still in the Obamagasm phase, but I really don't see it as a bad thing that people are enthusiastic about the President. It's pretty uncommon considering how bad the times currently are economically. Very Reganesque, which portends greatly for Obama and the rest of the Democrats.

Lets hope they don't screw it up for everyone's sake. The economy is faltering again as we speak. The DOW is dropping like a rock, and we are likely to see more banks on the brink of bankruptcy.

 

I didn't really say it was.  Just that we won't get much international news until that's worn out... because the News Networks love the easy stories.



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Strategyking92 said:
You know, this is not a problem for the US.
I mean, this particular story.



What gets me confused is that certain people wanted smoking banned and marijuana legalized... This makes zero sense. Also, I am kind of afraid what would happen if 1/4th of the country is f*cked up at once. Crime might go down, because prices would go down, but it means more people have access to drugs, and therefore, all the drawbacks from getting high. Mood swings and such.

 

I've heard this argument over and over, it's like a broken record already. First things first, i doubt many proponents of legalization are seriously expecting smoking to be banned. While it is true that the availability and consistency of marijuana would increase with legalization, I'd argue that those in schools (middle, high) currently have greater access to marijuana than alcohol because its sale is not controlled and therefore available in the school itself much of the time. There is no age restriction and definately no quality restrictions enforced by the sellers of marijuana. I question your assertion that there'd be that many more people on drugs. Perhaps i'm a little biased as a Canadian, but those who want marijuana are largely able to find it. There are even legitimate canadian websites where marijuana can be purchased domestically or shipped abroad.

The war on drugs is such a colossal failure that it would be irresponsible to support its full continuation when the US is in seriously bad shape economically. Americans need to take a hard look at the war on drugs, and ask themselves if it's the sort of thing that they value in its current extent.



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jv103 said:

I decided that the war on drugs is completely necessary. Why? How else can the state have a work force that is coherent enough to be a labor force? If opium were widely ready and legal, I think you would see a big increase in use, because it relieves the pain from being fucked by the system. No honestly, I think that is why drugs aren't legal. You can say everything about education for something, but if people are looking for fulfillment they can't find in gross consumerism (especially now), then who wouldn't want to be totally obliterated.

Of course it doesn't completely stop drug flow, but it isolates it gives the state more power and marginalizes the complaints of addicts. No one ever asks why people want to do drugs (besides some are fun recreational), but why do some people always have to be either on uppers or downers, being flat fucking sucks. There may be something inherently flawed in the structure of western civilization, who knows? Maybe people really can't stand working 40 +hours a week (I am getting so off topic).

For the people criminilaziation isn't necessary, to maintain the states power and keep people in the dream, it is.

@Akuma - Dude. I know how many people smoke weed. I live in California. I go to UC Berkeley. I stayed in Santa Cruz for a while. Even when I lived in a little ass rural town in California (Sonora) with 4000 people in it, weed was extremely prevalent (so was meth though). I know its an anecdote, but I don't think I'm unrealistic about who smokes weed. I used to deal in high school, once to my girlfriends dad. ( it was awkward when we broke up and he still came to my workplace and asked to by an O).

I love you Akuma.

HOLY SHIT I WAS JUST looking at UN world drug report 2007. $8 gram for cocaine in the Congo and 90 cents for a gram of weed in like libya. Amazing.

You can say that about anything though.  I've seen as many peoples lives ruined because of a video game addiction as I have a drug addiction.  Should video games be illegal?  People love to space out and waste their time watching mindless shows like Survivor and CSI.  Should those be illegal because they make us less productive?

Alcohol has as many addictive qualities and negative side effects as some of even the stronger narcotics.  Should it be illegal?  Tobacco costs our healtcare system so much money it isn't even funny.  Should it be illegal?  Prescription drug abuse has skyrocketed in the last two decades.  Should we not allow people to be prescribed those drugs and ban them outright?

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

ameratsu said:I question your assertion that there'd be that many more people on drugs. Perhaps i'm a little biased as a Canadian, but those who want marijuana are largely able to find it. There are even legitimate canadian websites where marijuana can be purchased domestically or shipped abroad.

An increase in drug usage is the one drawback to the legalization of drugs. It is simple economic theory. If drugs become legalized, the cost of production decreases and consumption subsequently increases. Regardless, this drawback should not prohibit the myriad benefits of legalizing drugs.



Jackson50 said:
ameratsu said:I question your assertion that there'd be that many more people on drugs. Perhaps i'm a little biased as a Canadian, but those who want marijuana are largely able to find it. There are even legitimate canadian websites where marijuana can be purchased domestically or shipped abroad.

An increase in drug usage is the one drawback to the legalization of drugs. It is simple economic theory. If drugs become legalized, the cost of production decreases and consumption subsequently increases. Regardless, this drawback should not prohibit the myriad benefits of legalizing drugs.

Even if it had only negative side effects the legalization of drugs should not be stopped.

It's a pure freedom of choice issue.

 



i dont see any reason that "soft" drugs should be illegal theyre no more harmful to your health than cigarettes and alcohol