"Which is ironic considering the laws of Saudi Arabia prevent Jews from holding religious services on Saudi soil... maybe you should just worry about the discrimination that takes place in your own country? I really get a kick out of Arabs from racist nations screaming at Jews and calling them racist when Israel is the only country in the mideast that gives equal rights (and voting privaleges) to all citizens regardless of religion."
also , I fail to see what's the point here? even If I were from Saudi Arabia , I am not supposed to talk about peace??? while u American can talk whatever u want? America invaded Iraq for no reasons , they used forbidden weapons there , radioactive weapons which gonna keep hurting the Iraqi people for decades, Millions left Iraq , Millions live in unhealthy environment now so I fail to see how that eliminated terrorism.
Iraqi kids are growing up now with the anger the invasion created there and the whole Islamic world is pissed at bush -the guy u voted for TWICE- so people are going to turn to their leaders who will do nothing because they don't wanna be in America's blacklist, so the pissed people will go and fund hezb allah and hammas , if there was no hammas , I'm sure there are enough people in the world who hate America that gonna start new "hammas" isn't America the one who nuked japan too?
the point is America ways are not working , all failed , try change the way u deal with the other countries and people will stop hating , today is the 15th or the 16th and the rocket firing has only increased , over 250 kids are dead now, Islamic world is pissed , funding for hammas and hezb allah and other groups will only increase
so finally , I'm allowed to talk about peace the way I want and wherever I'm from and u might wanna change the way u think, because being American doesn't mean u r a peace maker and me being from saudi arabia or anywhere else doesn't mean that I can't talk about peace
No, no, talk about peace all you want. Peace is good.
I don't even want to get into the Iraqi discussion here, that should be in another thread (if you create the thread, I'll be happy to comment).
But we are failing to see the importance of what actual peace is. It is not one sided, it takes both sides to accept each other's existence... Hamas, Fatah, and the vast majority of the people do not accept a single Jew being inside the land of Israel, because they see it all as Palestine (including Tel-Aviv, Yaffo, Haifa, all of it...) And before someone (not you) calls me a liar, and that the Palestinian leadership does not believe this, I present evidence 1 of 100,000 that shows that the Palestinians will never accept a Jew leaving in any part of Israel:
"I don't even want to get into the Iraqi discussion here, that should be in another thread (if you create the thread, I'll be happy to comment)."
It's simple , what happened there fed terrorism and accomplished nothing but crimes. If they invaded for the right reasons or not we may never agree on that but we should agree on the results are horrible and are not the goals America wanted to accomplish or what might have seem they wanted to accomplish.
"But we are failing to see the importance of what actual peace is. It is not one sided, it takes both sides to accept each other's existence... Hamas, Fatah, and the vast majority of the people do not accept a single Jew being inside the land of Israel, because they see it all as Palestine (including Tel-Aviv, Yaffo, Haifa, all of it...) And before someone (not you) calls me a liar, and that the Palestinian leadership does not believe this, I present evidence 1 of 100,000 that shows that the Palestinians will never accept a Jew leaving in any part of Israel:"
well I said I'm sorry for calling ur friend a liar and I told u my reasons for that and if it wasn't enough I'm sorry again :) .
Palestinian don't want jews? u r right Palestinian don't want jews because of the way Israel handle things ? I'm right
years years ago we all lived in peace , Muslims , Jews and Christians and I would love to see it happen again,
from the past few threads we can see how that the situation is complicated and can't be solved easily, I have no solution for now , well I may have one but it needs the perfect world which doesn't exist ,
and obviously I haven't commented on the video superchunk posted so:
ot: I wanna thank them deeply and I wanna tell them "u people are the ones who live in my fantasy perfect world" so thank u again :) more like u here and there and things will change ,hopefully
Arabs cannot travel everywhere, they cannot buy homes in Jerusalem, they have special ID cards, they are not allowed in the military, they are considered 2nd class by the populace and therefore unable to get the better jobs etc.
Its like the US for many years before the civil rights movement. Sure on the surface most seem equal, but underneath there is a huge disparity between Arab and Jews in Israeli society, just like blacks in the US.
that is absolute bullshit. quit spreading your hateful lies.
yes they have special ID cards , I don't know about the rest but I'm asking my friend -he has one- and tell u exactly what he says
I'll make it easy for you, because I know from personal experience:
Arab-Israelis have exactly the same rights as their fellow Jewish citizens. The one exception is miltary service (however, the Druze are allowed into military service).
And you are not even American, so please don't comment on "black and white" relations in the US, because you have no idea. The are a minority of whites who do not like blacks, and a minority of blacks who do not like whites. But our society is equal in every way.
All such comments are proving is that you have no idea what race relations are like outside of Saudi Arabia...
Which is ironic considering the laws of Saudi Arabia prevent Jews from holding religious services on Saudi soil... maybe you should just worry about the discrimination that takes place in your own country? I really get a kick out of Arabs from racist nations screaming at Jews and calling them racist when Israel is the only country in the mideast that gives equal rights (and voting privaleges) to all citizens regardless of religion.
I also believe it's not legal to be Christian as well.
Arabs cannot travel everywhere, they cannot buy homes in Jerusalem, they have special ID cards, they are not allowed in the military, they are considered 2nd class by the populace and therefore unable to get the better jobs etc.
Its like the US for many years before the civil rights movement. Sure on the surface most seem equal, but underneath there is a huge disparity between Arab and Jews in Israeli society, just like blacks in the US.
that is absolute bullshit. quit spreading your hateful lies.
yes they have special ID cards , I don't know about the rest but I'm asking my friend -he has one- and tell u exactly what he says
I'll make it easy for you, because I know from personal experience:
Arab-Israelis have exactly the same rights as their fellow Jewish citizens. The one exception is miltary service (however, the Druze are allowed into military service).
And you are not even American, so please don't comment on "black and white" relations in the US, because you have no idea. The are a minority of whites who do not like blacks, and a minority of blacks who do not like whites. But our society is equal in every way.
All such comments are proving is that you have no idea what race relations are like outside of Saudi Arabia...
Which is ironic considering the laws of Saudi Arabia prevent Jews from holding religious services on Saudi soil... maybe you should just worry about the discrimination that takes place in your own country? I really get a kick out of Arabs from racist nations screaming at Jews and calling them racist when Israel is the only country in the mideast that gives equal rights (and voting privaleges) to all citizens regardless of religion.
I also believe it's not legal to be Christian as well.
Arabs cannot travel everywhere, they cannot buy homes in Jerusalem, they have special ID cards, they are not allowed in the military, they are considered 2nd class by the populace and therefore unable to get the better jobs etc.
Its like the US for many years before the civil rights movement. Sure on the surface most seem equal, but underneath there is a huge disparity between Arab and Jews in Israeli society, just like blacks in the US.
that is absolute bullshit. quit spreading your hateful lies.
yes they have special ID cards , I don't know about the rest but I'm asking my friend -he has one- and tell u exactly what he says
I'll make it easy for you, because I know from personal experience:
Arab-Israelis have exactly the same rights as their fellow Jewish citizens. The one exception is miltary service (however, the Druze are allowed into military service).
And you are not even American, so please don't comment on "black and white" relations in the US, because you have no idea. The are a minority of whites who do not like blacks, and a minority of blacks who do not like whites. But our society is equal in every way.
All such comments are proving is that you have no idea what race relations are like outside of Saudi Arabia...
Which is ironic considering the laws of Saudi Arabia prevent Jews from holding religious services on Saudi soil... maybe you should just worry about the discrimination that takes place in your own country? I really get a kick out of Arabs from racist nations screaming at Jews and calling them racist when Israel is the only country in the mideast that gives equal rights (and voting privaleges) to all citizens regardless of religion.
I also believe it's not legal to be Christian as well.
where did heat that ??? :(
not true :)
Actually that is true... you cannot legally practise Christianity openly in Saudi Arabia, and it is a national law that only Muslims can be citizens of Saudi Arabia. Therefore, it is not legal to a Christian Saudi....
^^^ Right, if you are foreigner visiting or working in Saudi Arabia...
But even foreign workers can not openly display their Chrisitian beliefs, so he was right in his assertion. All crucifixes must be kept in your shirt. Not even Christian T-Shirts are allowed to be worn in public. That's not religious freedom, that's intolerance at it's worst. Hence proving my statement that Saudi Arabia should look inward at racism and intolerance, and stop accusing Israel (a place where religion is irrelevant) of intolerance. Israel is by FAR the most religious tolerant nation in the region (please tell me there is no argument here?)
dude , take it easy :) I'm not just arguing for the sake of arguing yeah , Saudi Arabia has a lot of fixing to do and so does most of the Islamic -espacially arabic- countries. it looks hard and it looks that it's gonna take forever but it doesn't , they just have to start changing , their people -us- want to change , hopefully soon :)
^^^ I'm not mad at you, I told you, I actually like you... you care about people dying just like me, so we aren't that much different. The only reason why I spew hate all over Hamas and Fateh is because they kill Jews and put Palestinian women and children in the line of fire on purpose.
And you agree with me, so we are cool brother, so no worries.
