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^^ Actually, I don't disagree with you.

I think most of the time (and I have video links to show this as well) that Hamas forces civilians (women and children) to remain at bombing sites... or they grab kids out of a crowd, and stand behind them (with the kids crying) as Israeli bullets are flying towards them.

So my point is not that the average Palestinians want to die, but that their leadership doesn't give a shit about them, and actually hopes they die because it makes Israel look bad on the surface, when in reality it's Hamas who is murdering them.

So please, do not mistake me as a person who doesn't care for Palestinians, because I have many kids of my own, and I could never imagine the horror of having a blood-thirsty regime like Hamas as my leader.

But, honest to God, without a shadow of a doubt in my mind, my circle of friends and family would never sit back idly and allow such a leadership. I wouldn't sit back and accept such horror. The Palestinians screwed up big time by electing this murderous regime into office. And now, they have to do whatever is necessary to get rid of them... even a coup if that is the only way.



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Comrade Tovya said:
^^ Actually, I don't disagree with you.

I think most of the time (and I have video links to show this as well) that Hamas forces civilians (women and children) to remain at bombing sites... or they grab kids out of a crowd, and stand behind them (with the kids crying) as Israeli bullets are flying towards them.

So my point is not that the average Palestinians want to die, but that their leadership doesn't give a shit about them, and actually hopes they die because it makes Israel look bad on the surface, when in reality it's Hamas who is murdering them.

So please, do not mistake me as a person who doesn't care for Palestinians, because I have many kids of my own, and I could never imagine the horror of having a blood-thirsty regime like Hamas as my leader.

But, honest to God, without a shadow of a doubt in my mind, my circle of friends and family would never sit back idly and allow such a leadership. I wouldn't sit back and accept such horror. The Palestinians screwed up big time by electing this murderous regime into office. And now, they have to do whatever is necessary to get rid of them... even a coup if that is the only way.

 

@ red part: does that really happen?

I agree on the bolded part though



blackstar said:
Comrade Tovya said:
^^ Actually, I don't disagree with you.

I think most of the time (and I have video links to show this as well) that Hamas forces civilians (women and children) to remain at bombing sites... or they grab kids out of a crowd, and stand behind them (with the kids crying) as Israeli bullets are flying towards them.

So my point is not that the average Palestinians want to die, but that their leadership doesn't give a shit about them, and actually hopes they die because it makes Israel look bad on the surface, when in reality it's Hamas who is murdering them.

So please, do not mistake me as a person who doesn't care for Palestinians, because I have many kids of my own, and I could never imagine the horror of having a blood-thirsty regime like Hamas as my leader.

But, honest to God, without a shadow of a doubt in my mind, my circle of friends and family would never sit back idly and allow such a leadership. I wouldn't sit back and accept such horror. The Palestinians screwed up big time by electing this murderous regime into office. And now, they have to do whatever is necessary to get rid of them... even a coup if that is the only way.

 

@ red part: does that really happen?

I agree on the bolded part though

 

Yeah, I have a few videos of this happening... it is very disturbing to see these poor children dragged into battle. 

So the real question is, since we both a agree that Fatah & Hamas can never live a peaceful existence with Israel, what is the answer?  Considering those are the only two true Palestinian groups of leadership, and both organizations call for Palestine, "from the river to the sea"

I certainly believe that you and I both love humanity, and want both Muslim and Jewish children to live in peace... together.  So how can that happen unless the Palestinian people have leadership with goals that are to do just that?  I would just like your opinion.



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Comrade Tovya said:
blackstar said:
Comrade Tovya said:
^^ Actually, I don't disagree with you.

I think most of the time (and I have video links to show this as well) that Hamas forces civilians (women and children) to remain at bombing sites... or they grab kids out of a crowd, and stand behind them (with the kids crying) as Israeli bullets are flying towards them.

So my point is not that the average Palestinians want to die, but that their leadership doesn't give a shit about them, and actually hopes they die because it makes Israel look bad on the surface, when in reality it's Hamas who is murdering them.

So please, do not mistake me as a person who doesn't care for Palestinians, because I have many kids of my own, and I could never imagine the horror of having a blood-thirsty regime like Hamas as my leader.

But, honest to God, without a shadow of a doubt in my mind, my circle of friends and family would never sit back idly and allow such a leadership. I wouldn't sit back and accept such horror. The Palestinians screwed up big time by electing this murderous regime into office. And now, they have to do whatever is necessary to get rid of them... even a coup if that is the only way.

 

@ red part: does that really happen?

I agree on the bolded part though

 

Yeah, I have a few videos of this happening... it is very disturbing to see these poor children dragged into battle. 

So the real question is, since we both a agree that Fatah & Hamas can never live a peaceful existence with Israel, what is the answer?  Considering those are the only two true Palestinian groups of leadership, and both organizations call for Palestine, "from the river to the sea"

I certainly believe that you and I both love humanity, and want both Muslim and Jewish children to live in peace... together.  So how can that happen unless the Palestinian people have leadership with goals that are to do just that?  I would just like your opinion.

 

I don't know, u might wanna check superchunk posts , one of them discussed a solution which I thought was good

but I do know that what is happening now is not the way things gonna work



^^^ Right, it is not working.

With the current Palestinian leadershi (or should I say ONLY leadership) that is coming from Chamas & Fateh, no peace will will ever happen.

Either the Jews win the war or the Chamas & Fateh.

So, if the Palestinians REALLY do accept Israel's right to exist, and believe that Jews do deserve to live in the Holy Land, then they have to dispossess their current leadership and form a party for peace.

If the Palestinians do not do this, then there will continue to be war. It can't be any simpler than this.



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