It isn't quite the same. I can play any of my disc based games without having to install anything and I don't have to wait 20 minutes to play my game (not all take 20 minutes, but I've had my 20 minute experience already)

With WiiWare/VC I agree, however that is the same as PSN, which I don't have a complaint about that installing to the HDD since it is the only way.

Mandatory installs blow, but the topic has been discussed to death already.

lolz, I can't believe this crap is still brought up xD

The mandatory installs are seriously over-rated. Hell, if it wasn't for this thread, I'd have completely forgotten that I'd ever done any of them :P And keep in mind I have quite a few games. It's awesome, when we go to put more shit on our PS3, we take a look at it and go oh, holy shit... were filling up. We then proceed to go to the game data utility, and delete shit that we haven't played in forever. And so far.. it's worked out quite well >_>

In all honesty. If I had to choose between either "mandatory installs for every game", or "constantly loud disc drive that will literally destroy your disc's if the consoles moved at all". I'd opt for the installs. Every game on my 360 would go strait to the hard drive. This is a stupid topic at hand, and it really is just bitching and nitpicking for the sake of doing so.

Right well, i had 10 games when i got rid of my PS3, and saves for all of them, and i was nowhere near filling the HDD, and i didnt have to reinstall anything so....this issue is not as big as the OP has made out. Sorry but no

This thread makes me miss the days of cartridges.

No load times, internal memory for saves...

Good times.

Odds are that if you bought a release day Xbox360 and a release day PS3 your 360 RRODed before you filled your PS3 HDD...................

It's a sad day for humanity when people can't install things without getting a headache.

I guess thats because there were hardly any (decent) games for the PS3 eh? OH look I can come out with fanboy crap too!

Those are simply lazy developers that do not want to tkae alittle more time and hide load times, look uncharted, resistance 1 , 2 killzone2 and a few more very big games with a lot of graffics power with a little to none install to them, in a few years or months we will se no install at all just developers need more time knowing how to develope better  on the ps3.

LOL