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XanderZane said:
c0rd said:

I always thought the answer was pretty simple: the 360 helps keep the PS3 alive.

Just look at the sales of the biggest HD games this gen has produced: GTA IV, CoD4/WaW, Assassin's Creed, etc. The PS3 has a huge portion of these sales, and as long as that doesn't change, things should be fine. The PS3 userbase will probably be nearing 30mil by the end of next year, which is easily enough to justify porting HD games onto it.

You listed many failed consoles, but didn't mention the Sega Genesis/Mega Drive. That system was stuck in second place, yet had a decent lifespan (could've been longer if Sega didn't screw it up), and the PS3 is on track to outsell it within the next 2 years.

 

I don't see the PS3 hitting 30 million at the end of next year unless it gets a $100 price drop in the summer. Most likely it'll hit 28mil by the end of 2009. Because of the Xbox 360's price cut, it could easily sell about 10mil + in 2009. Pushing it's total to 37+ million by the end of 2009. If the Wii keeps up it's pace it'll be at 67 million by the end of next year. Sony and Microsoft will never catch them if that happens. If Microsoft beats the PS3 in another holiday, it will be tough for the PS3 to catch them. It's all about the games though. If Microsoft can acquire some more exclusive hits like Gears of War and FF XIII, their console will continue to sell like hotcakes.

there should be a price cut next year as the last one was in 2007, not only that but sony should start making a profit on the ps3 sometime next year. even if there isnt, ps3 should pass 30 million end of 2009.

 



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dharh said:

I'm less concerned with regional sales than I am with WW sales. If we look at those same regional sales comparing X360, PS3, and PS2, we still see that only in america does X360 trump from launch sales. The last year has been the real trouble for PS3 where it has really fallen behind PS2, but its again still ahead of the X360. Next year will decide the true trends.

 

If you're comparing two like things it is far easier to see the relationship between them ...

The problem with the worldwide totals of the PS2 and PS3 is the massive difference in how different the "Worldwide" launches were between the two consoles. The PS2 launched in Japan far earlier than in North America and Europe, and when it finally did launch outside of Japan it remained sold out for (basically) half a year; in contrast the PS3 launched in Japan and North America at (pretty much) the same time and was released in Europe not that much later, and the PS3 was readily available in stores soon after launch in all regions. What this means is that the direct comparison has a massive bias in favour of the PS3.

Whether you're ready to accept it or not, the "True Trend" is already obvious ...



Dgc1808 said:
Because most HD 3rd Party games are going MultiPlat, neither HD systems merit full exclusives for the game budgets these days yet. Of course there will always be a few exceptions.

 

 This is essentially the correct answer. The PS3 version of a game often doesn't sell as well as the 360 version, but it doesn't have to: all it needs to do is justify the cost of a port to be worth the company's time.

Of course, being lumped as the PS360 platform is terrible for Sony and Microsoft -- congratulations, consumers view your products as completely interchangable! -- but for consumers it is great. It means that games we see on one of those consoles will almost always show up on the other.



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HappySqurriel said:
dharh said:

I'm less concerned with regional sales than I am with WW sales. If we look at those same regional sales comparing X360, PS3, and PS2, we still see that only in america does X360 trump from launch sales. The last year has been the real trouble for PS3 where it has really fallen behind PS2, but its again still ahead of the X360. Next year will decide the true trends.

 

If you're comparing two like things it is far easier to see the relationship between them ...

The problem with the worldwide totals of the PS2 and PS3 is the massive difference in how different the "Worldwide" launches were between the two consoles. The PS2 launched in Japan far earlier than in North America and Europe, and when it finally did launch outside of Japan it remained sold out for (basically) half a year; in contrast the PS3 launched in Japan and North America at (pretty much) the same time and was released in Europe not that much later, and the PS3 was readily available in stores soon after launch in all regions. What this means is that the direct comparison has a massive bias in favour of the PS3.

Whether you're ready to accept it or not, the "True Trend" is already obvious ...

See your missing what im saying. I've already acknowledged PS3 is new tracking below PS2.  What im saying is that X360 is doing even worse.  And if you do region by region, that fact is made ever more plain except in one region, america.  In the past that might have easily made up for all the other regions put together putting PS3 in even more trouble, but that is not the case anymore, america now makes up less than half the sales.

If you want to talk about "true trend" we can state that the Wii is the only console this gen that is tracking at or above PS2 from launch sales.  Both PS3 and X360 are tracking below.

The trend im talking about is will X360 pull ahead of the PS3 or will PS3 keep ahead next year.  

 



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ssj12 said:
FrostyTop said:

I have been reading a fair amount recently since the sudden massive rise in Xbox 360 sales a number of PS3 supporters and often format agnostic members making statements like this.

"Don't worry about it, just enjoy your games and the top lineup in 09"

This is in relation to the sales gap between Xbox 360PS3. I think this is an extremely dimwitted thing to say, and is placing far too much good faith in a company to carry on producing gamessupport should their machine become unprofitable or less profitable and therefore lose support from third parites and so on.

I'm sure many of you remember the n64? The Saturn? Gamecube? Xbox (although other factors also contributed)?

What do they have in common?

They all sold reasonable well for a time and gradually faded into oblivion due to

THIRD PARTY SUPPORT

Where does this support come from? A decent user base relative to the competition.

I'd like to ask a question based on this. as far as I can see, independently verified fact. Well more than a question really. I have heard that dreaded line a few times in the past for all of the console listed, be it from forums in recent times or gaming mags in "the good old days".

The point is that.

The only reason you can continute to enjoy new exciting varitety of games is because a decent number of people are buying your console relative to the competion's conolse on the market.

Its quite late, you know where I'm going with this. So my question is simple.

Why so positivelack of conern? Blind faith? Ignorance?

I see bad JuJu, and you see bed of roses? What are the true implications if things continue the way they are for the PS3 in terms of 3rd part support....The knock on effects of that inevitably decreasing -> Spiral of destruction? Or me being stupid?

 

Why dont you look at this generation a bit more closely. If you notice that the first place console isnt getting all the 3rd party exclusives or support. It is pretty evenly distributed. This is the first time this has ever happened.

Your acting as if the 360 is getting all the 3rd party games when it isnt. You see the PS3's market share dropping but I see both the PS3 and 360's market share dropping.

Look at it this way. The Wii will control over 50% maybe even up to 65% of the market this generation. While the PS3/360 gap is 6.7 (6.8?) million this will change when price cuts happen. Figure it will be the battle for who can hold over 18% of the market for 2nd place if my 65% Wii market share comes to light.

 

bumping my post since people seem to have missed basic logic in this thread.



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Count me among those who are NOT unhappy with the PS3 sales figures. Had the PS3 been dominant, I would not have been able to buy one for $250. Had the PS3 been dominant, I would not have been able to get my first $310 of games and accessories for $160. So yea for me and the WII. My own personal launch was an 80g PS3, four DS3 controllers, a remote, and 12 games. All for ~$800.

I am not concerned I bought an orphan. Sales are sufficient to warrant growth and support. I expect the PS3 to do better as blu-ray prices come down and HDTV becomes more common in the home -- the PS3 is much more than a great video game. Sony needs to market the PS3 this way -- a home entertainment system for your new HDTV. Sony should make some of their franchise movies available ondemand for FREE to PS3s. For MS and Nintendo to compete here, they would have to license BD from Sony. That strikes me as a great advantage. Of course, WII doesn't even support HDTV.

The main reason Sony is playing catch up this generation is that they did not have the capital to deal with the battery fiasco, blu-ray vs hddvd, and a new console launch at the same time (compare to MS that did not blink at funding the x360 warranty pool while promoting Vista). As finances improve, PS3 prices will come down and sales will get better.

I think xbox and ps3 will compete at some level for a very long time.

The rise in xbox sales is due to pricing. The 360 can be had for less than the WII. People do not seem to be concerned about the features not in the box. Sony really needs to communicate better what a PS3 is. Sony could have included ten of their BD movies in each PS-3 box or, better, a coupon to discount BD prices.

The real question is what is going on with the WII? Where is Nintendo headed?

I've used the WII and it's not an impressive console. The controls are gimmicky and the graphics are inferior -- really poor. I think a lot of sales are based on the gimmicky controls and good marketing. The price doesn't hurt, though, and Nintendo has some exclusive franchises that sell consoles. If Nintendo announces a next gen console that is backwards compatible with the WII but leapfrogs or even matches the tech of the PS3/X360, they could dominate the market for a LONG time. HDWII? If that console is late to the market, or is not backwards compatible, the WII2 will just be another expensive console.

Here's to hoping I bought in at the bottom!



scottie said:
""Don't worry about it, just enjoy your games and the top lineup in 09"

This is in relation to the sales gap between Xbox 360PS3. I think this is an extremely dimwitted thing to say"

Wow, you're calling people dimwitted for caring more about gaming than the console wars?

"I'm sure many of you remember the n64? The Saturn? Gamecube? Xbox (although other factors also contributed)?"
I loved my gamecube, and I still played the N64 alot last year

 

 exaclty, don't worry about it and enjoy your games and the upcoming exclusives in 09. this gen is far too young to end . And ps3 has yet to really test the market with a cheaper price tag.

 



I think all consoles will sell fine. As someone says, if PS3 drops the price then the others can as well as they can afford to. Wii might not drop until they have to since it still sells like hotcakes. My brother and his wife just got it and they are not gamers! They are buying it for Wii Fit! In the end if they all sell well then it'll be good for the industry as there will be competition to keep the companies innovating.

As for prices, I remember when the Xbox Elite cost more than the PS3 in Canada this year. They still sold more or less the same. Yes I know you can buy the Arcade but most gamers will buy the Pro or Elite. As for people keep saying that the Arcade is gimped... yes for us gamers but for casual gamers, it is no different than a Wii or PS2. They both don't have a HD built in and uses memory cards. If you are never going to pay for xbox Live or download anything then you don't need the HD.




It is more than likely PS3 will fall below 20% market share by end of 2009. XBox 360 will be barely 25% market share by end of 2009. Wii will be around 55% market share by end of 2009. Assumption is based on Wii continuing to build up sales pace and XBox 360 and PS3 will sell around the same number of consoles in 2009. Wii will take market share from both XBox 360 and PS3 in 2009 and into the future.



PS3 development costs for its first two years estimated to be around 8 to 10 billion dollars. If only I had some official data to confirm these rumours and reveal the true scope of how much the PS3 has cost Sony.