Downloadable games are not casual by default. No game is casual by default, gamers that are casual. When a game is aimed for casual audience, some just call it casual (that is not correct everytime). I included all the list of SCEA games for 2007 (from gamefaqs). If downloadable games are there I will include them.

Pursuit Force was a big mistake, I edited the list and forgot to take its name out.

If you think that Parappa the Rapper is aimed for hardcore gamers, then we are not even on the same page.

Also if they Eye of Jugment is hardcore so is the Wii balance board (not the Wii Fit game). Do not forget that I am talking about "aimed at" and not hardcore/casual in itself.

Jumping Flash is a mix of shooter and platform game. I did not know if I should include this game.  Looking at the kiddy (yet good) visuals and easy gameplay I think that this game has a much bigger probability to be played by kids than the mature audience.

Ratchet series is kinda like Mario, Spyro, Sonic and Crash games. Hardcore and casual players like them. Even so it is not like those who bough Resistance and NGS are all excited about Ratchet and Clank next game.

 You did not comment on the fact that 22/45 games/devices that SCEA are working on this years are not aimed at harcore players. You carefully picked up a list of games for Nintendo Wii and made it look like half of their games are for casual gamers. Actually I think that 2 are casual, 3 are aimed at the new expanded audience, 2 for core, 2 for eveyone and 1 for niche. If you want to go with the dicotomy casual and hardcore, I will use it on SCEA games too.

Just figured I'd make a list for the benefit of quick reference for all those arguing in this topic. This is a list of every game Nintendo has published to date for the Wii and DS, as well as all games they have announced they are publishing in the near future (courtesy of Gamerankings). Casual only will be red, core only will be green, both will be blue:

DS:

Advance Wars: DS
Animal Crossing: Wild World
ASH: Archaic Sealed Heat
Big Brain Academy
Brain Age
Brain Age 2
Chibi Robo: Park Patrol
Children of Mana
Clubhouse Games
Custom Robo Arena
Diddy Kong Racing DS
DK Jungle Climber
DS Air
Electroplankton
Elite Beat Agents
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: Ring of Fates
Flash Focus: Vision Training in Minutes a Day
Hotel Dusk: Room 215
Kirby Squeak Squad
Kirby: Canvas Curse
Magical Starsign
Magnetica
Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time
Mario Hoops: 3 on 3
Mario Kart DS
Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2
Meteos
Metroid Prime Pinball
Metroid Prime: Hunters
New Super Mario Bros.
Nintendo Magic
Nintendogs
Picross
Planet Puzzle League
Pokemon Dash
Pokemon DP
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon
Pokemon Ranger
Pokemon Trozei
Polarium
Professor Layton and the Curious Village
Star Fox Command
Sudoku Gridmaster
Super Mario 64 DS
Super Princess Peach
Tenchu: Dark Secret
Tetris DS
The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass

Wii:

Battalion Wars 2
Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree
Disaster: Day of Crisis
Donkey Kong Barrel Blast
Endless Ocean
Excite Truck
Fire Emblem: Goddess of Dawn
F-Zero X
Kirby Wii
Mario Kart Wii
Mario Party 8
Mario Strikers Charged
Metroid Prime 3
Pokemon Battle Revolution
Project H.A.M.M.E.R. (may be canceled)
Super Mario Galaxy
Super Paper Mario
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
WarioWare Smooth Moves
Wii Fit
Wii Play
Wii Sports
Wii Music

Even if you want to consider some of those that I listed as both demographics casual, there is no way you can possibly twist that list to say Ninendo supports more causal than core gamers. Hell, even if you considered EVERYTHING in blue casual only (which is clearly not true at all) Nintendo would still be making twice as many core games, and the truth is that even most of those games listed in red can be fun to core gamers as well.  I enjoy Big Brain Academy on the DS.  So can we stop with this ignorant bullshit about Nintendo not caring about core gamers once and for all?

Before someone starts bitching about these games not all being made by Nintendo, they are all PUBLISHED by them, meaning Nintendo put their own money into creating and advertising these games. If they didn't care about the core gamer, they would not put money into them at all.

It's about time we finally got a silly thread about trying to define all games as either casual or hardcore! The lack of broad generalizations and false categorization was really starting to bug me!
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Sorry, I know categories aren't really ideal (as they are hardly defined at all), but if you don't list the games, the fanboys will continue to make the same argument, and if you don't make some attempt at categorizing them, they will just say "those are all casual games" and ignore it.  I don't particularly believe in categorized games either.  Personally I am really looking forward to Wii Fit, even though I have been gaming for 20 years and am about the farthest thing from casual.   The only reason categorized lists like this are necessary is because people out there are so upset about Nintendo being in the lead that they will look for any excuse to attack the system, even ones that are completely unfounded by anything resembling facts.  The only way to stop these claims (and even this only does it temporarily) is shove the evidence down their throats. 

Eh. When did "Hardcore" games become

"Mature themes/lots of violence" anyway?

GTA games i'd call casual because they are laughably easy.

I remember when Hardcore meant the game was tough, and you had to play it alot just to get good enough to get through the first couple levels, or a game that was just in general tough to get through. A good game mind you but a chore to get through.

For example. Rampage for the NES. My dad and I stayed up all night playing through that game and got all the way to level 99 and beat it. My reward... the game restarted at level 1. That's a hardcore game.

Or Double Dragon 3. Which isn't as hard as a lot of other games. But has a great "1 death and you lose" rule, that applys per character. You do get one continue but you have to get over halfway through the game to earn it.

Hardcore games to me have always been games that were fun, but so challenging that very few people actually "beat" them. Sure they arn't for a "casual" gamer. Not because they are of any genre or theme... because there are plenty of casuals in all sorts of markets. My aunt for example loves first person shooters and adventure games.

Nah, Hardcore games aren't for "casual" gamers because "casual" gamers are going to give up on the game because they suck at it and seemingly arn't getting any better.

I'm guessing the change has to do with a lot of people losing their attention spans... or something.

On topic, I don't think Nintendo needs to put out as many "New audience" games as other titles because they need to be "worked" into playing their systems a lot. Starting with those games. I think it's a plan by nintendo to release just enough "New Audience" games to get by and hoping they will branch into the other genres of games... like my aunt did when she stumbled into action and FPS genres. She'd never played a videogame system before to my knowledge, but then she played a Tomb Raider game one day and was hooked. (It doesn't always take good games!)

Also... anyone who doesn't consider Pokemon a hardcore game is SERIOUSLY kidding themselves. I mean have you ever seen someone who's into that game really hard?

There are different types of pokemon that are more preferential depending on which pokemon you choose, you might want a bashful pikachu for like... increased special for more damage, or a adamant one for faster speed or something. (Probably not what they really do.)

Then you've just got the fact that there is the original goal. Which is collect like 400+ Monsters. Oh yeah, and make as many as you can battle ready.

Oh and if that's not enough there are special versions of the pokemon you can get if you play long enough. The only trick is that you're likely to run into these pokemon only 1 out of every 8,500 random encounters or so. Finding those "Shiny" pokemon is definitly a hardcore act for anyone let alone 8 year olds.

yeah, i have no idea why anyone could possibly consider pokemon "casual". probably only because it's not rated "M".

some people make the serious mistake that if a game isn't rated "M" it's got to be a "casual" game.

i think we have a good idea by now how to better define "casual" (new audience) and "hardcore" now! passage of time is definitely a factor--what's hardcore and casual changes over time. the term "casual" is not specific in the sense that it doesn't capture the points of what made the DS incredibly successful (Wii is but 1 year into its lifecycle, jury still out). maybe i'll put together an FAQ or something to settle this "casual" vs "hardcore" definition once and for all.

Heck, should see some of the stuff those kids do with breeding one monster, with another monster, with like a third monster, to make 4 or 5 eggs just to make sure that they get a monster with a certain breeding move thats of the right personality of the 5... I mean the stuff some people do in that game is crazy.

Lol 4 or 5 eggs?  No my friend you have no idea.  It took me a week of constant breeding and chain breeding to make my nearly perfect IV (Individual Values) online competitive Weavile with the desired Jolly nature.  It took me another day to do all the EV (Effort Value) training necessary to have his stats perfectly balanced to where I wanted them.  However, I still consider Pokemon a "both" game as far as demographics, despite being a competitive tourney gamer.  You can play and beat Pokemon at age 8 with relative ease without knowing any of that stuff.  However, a 20 some year old man (me) can spend months just creating one team for competitive online tourney battles.  If you ever want to know how deep the Pokemon hole goes, just ask.  It's an endless pit of strategy that most casual onlookers don't know exists. 

So yeah, it's not a single demographic game.  However, most games that can be played and enjoyed by casual gamers are not single demographic games are they?  I have never met a person who played Wii sports and didn't enjoy themselves, regardless of what kinds of games they play.  That's not to say I don't think there are people out there who dislike Wii Sports, but it appeals to a variety of different gamers.  I think games are meant to be enjoyed.  There are many different types of games that can be fun, but that doesn't really make one path more valid than another.  I love deep games like Bioshock, but that doesn't mean I won't turn right around and have just as much fun shooting bunnies with a plunger gun in Rayman Raving Rabbids. 

I think it's great that there is so much diversity in the current game generation, and the last thing I want is for one type of gaming or another to die out.  It seems like there is some holy crusade against the Wii and it's "casual" games, but I think this is incredibly selfish.  Why can't people just accept that there is more than one way to enjoy the video game market, and even if it doesn't appeal to you there are a lot of people out there who are thankful that the Wii came along with such a wide variety of games on one console.