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Well, define casual gamer. Is a child a casual gamer, just because they don't buy Zelda?

Are you saying that games for kids are not casual games?

I read your post, just forgot Warioware. And are you saying that casual gamers haven't existed until now? If casual gamers are the "new audience", then why have accessible games sold so well in the past?

Or are casual gamers simply a large group of gamers who have never been recognized until now and are just belonging to an incredibly stupid buzzword used by corporate drones?

I think the real problem is defining "casual gamer". Honestly, is it possible that someone could purchase the occasional Madden, Mario Kart, or Mario Sports title and still be casual? Or would purchasing something other than Wii Play make them a hardcore gamer?



 

 

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Lingyis said:

With all the talks of Nintendo catering to the casual (new audience), where are they?

There's Wii Sports, Wii Play, Warioware and BBA.  There's Mario Party, but it's a kid's title.  

With all the clamoring about Nintendo abandoning the hardcore, Nintendo really only has 4 games meant for the new audience, 2 of which shouldn't even count.

What's coming out this year?  Let's just count Wii Music, and I can't even think of anything else.  Ironically, it's the 3rd parties that's more devoted to making the new audience games, like Boogie, the Sims series, Jenga, Rayman, Cooking Mama, etc. 

No wonder Project Hammer, a marginal title at best, is getting delayed if not cancelled outright.  They don't have nearly enough casual titles.  


What?

Warioware
Super Paper Mario
Zelda: Twilight Princess
Big Brain Academy
Excite Truck
Mario Party 8
Pokemon Battle Revolution
Mario Strikers Charged
Wii Sports
Wii Play

Number of 1st party games: 10. Number of casual 1st party games: 5.

Half the games have been casual so far and you're complaining about lack of casual games?

What, you want all of Nintendo's games to be casual?



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As much as people fixate on particular titles as a representation of Nintendo's market expanding strategy which I think misses the point ... The strategy is about making videogames much more accessible to people who are currently not gamers. This means that they will attempt to make games which are interesting to non-gamers but that is not the entire focus.

Most of Nintendo's Wii games are taking the Wiimote and using it in a way which is very straight forward and far more intuitive than a conventional controller; this means that even games like Metroid Prime 3 are far more "Casual" than a similar game for the PS3 and XBox 360.



This kind of thread again and again and again and again... So boring...



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MontanaHatchet said:
Well, define casual gamer. Is a child a casual gamer, just because they don't buy Zelda?

Are you saying that games for kids are not casual games?

I read your post, just forgot Warioware. And are you saying that casual gamers haven't existed until now? If casual gamers are the "new audience", then why have accessible games sold so well in the past?

Or are casual gamers simply a large group of gamers who have never been recognized until now and are just belonging to an incredibly stupid buzzword used by corporate drones?

I think the real problem is defining "casual gamer". Honestly, is it possible that someone could purchase the occasional Madden, Mario Kart, or Mario Sports title and still be casual? Or would purchasing something other than Wii Play make them a hardcore gamer?

 Dude, it is not that easy. The whole problem about casual/hardcore dicotomy is that people do not agree about their definitions. Le me try and make some educated guesses.

Casual Gamers have been around since the Atari, I believe most players today are casual. The problem started when Nintendo disrupted the market and expanded it. What Nintendo have done with Wii and Ds is bring some new gamers (people that had never played before) and lapsed gamers (those who stopped playing VG for some reason). The casual label is used to look down upon these new audiences. Some immature gamers feeling threated by these new groups try to make them look like people that do not care about "true" games at all and may leave the market as soon as they get bored with it. They call themselves hardcore gamers, but they are niche gamers (linked to specific game genres).

 

I can not define what casual is with just one sentence. the best I can do is stablish limits to its definition.

Casual gamers do

1) play diverse game genres (sports, racing, shooters, RPGs, mini games, platforms), but individually they only play a few genres

2) play just a few hours a week (school, work and other activities come first)

3) do not care about game market or news about it (that means they usually do not post on Gamefaqs or VGC)

4) may be a fanboy (everyone like to say that the brand of his car/clothes/TVs is the best) 

 

Hardcore gamers

1) play more than five different genres of games and have no big prejuces against genres that he dislikes or do not play

2) games always come first (may even play for a living)

3) never owns/plays only a gaming console. A hardcore would never tie himself to a single brand or genre.

4) may be a fanboy, but would still play and enjoy the games on his least favorite system.

5) has a gamind record and history. This one may be a polemic one, but I think every hardcore must have played through at least 3 generations and finished 100 games (minimum).

6) know all about the gaming industry, release dates of games, name of developers, history of VG franchises. 

&) care so much about video games that may make a fool of himself (like writing a angry letter to a company about a feature he disliked in a game or making a blog about his love/hate about a game)



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I love how franchises Nintendo has had for a long time are suddenly "casual" games because they are having cross-over success. Are you begrudging of the new games, or of the new gamers? If its the new games, then Pokemon and Mario Party (and later, Animal Crossing) go squarely in the so-called "hardcore" pile.

C'mon. They had Wii Sports at launch, Wii Play and Wario at launch everywhere but America, and the only other post-Iwata franchise game they've brought out since is BBA.

In the meantime they've launched 3 Mario spin-offs, two of them very well received, along with Pokemon. 4 games from the biggest, most traditional franchises they have. What are the big titles for the rest of the year? Mario, Metroid, Smash, Wars, Donkey Kong spin-off, Fire Emblem (all of which rely on NES-era properties) and ONE crossover title in Endless Ocean.

The game release schedule suggests that Nintendo is abandoning the "casuals." One crossover title for the rest of the year? Casual killer app Wii Fit not to make it out of Japan until 2008? Who are they catering to, the fans who got them where they are today with DS and Wii Sports, or the "hardcores" who abandoned them first chance they got on N64 and GC?

See, it's all about perspective. I don't mean "changing your perspective," I mean having some in the first place.



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"The way to solve this problem lies in how to communicate what kind of games [they CAN play]."

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Erik Aston said:
I love how franchises Nintendo has had for a long time are suddenly "casual" games because they are having cross-over success. Are you begrudging of the new games, or of the new gamers? If its the new games, then Pokemon and Mario Party (and later, Animal Crossing) go squarely in the so-called "hardcore" pile.

C'mon. They had Wii Sports at launch, Wii Play and Wario at launch everywhere but America, and the only other post-Iwata franchise game they've brought out since is BBA.

In the meantime they've launched 3 Mario spin-offs, two of them very well received, along with Pokemon. 4 games from the biggest, most traditional franchises they have. What are the big titles for the rest of the year? Mario, Metroid, Smash, Wars, Donkey Kong spin-off, Fire Emblem (all of which rely on NES-era properties) and ONE crossover title in Endless Ocean.

The game release schedule suggests that Nintendo is abandoning the "casuals." One crossover title for the rest of the year? Casual killer app Wii Fit not to make it out of Japan until 2008? Who are they catering to, the fans who got them where they are today with DS and Wii Sports, or the "hardcores" who abandoned them first chance they got on N64 and GC?

See, it's all about perspective. I don't mean "changing your perspective," I mean having some in the first place
It is all Nintendo fault for making so much casual games. I really envy SCEA list of hardcore-only games for 2007.


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Satan said:

"You are for ever angry, all you care about is intelligence, but I repeat again that I would give away all this superstellar life, all the ranks and honours, simply to be transformed into the soul of a merchant's wife weighing eighteen stone and set candles at God's shrine."

ckmlb said:

Half the games have been casual so far and you're complaining about lack of casual games?

 


No.  I believe he is responding to arguments from people saying that the Wii is abandoning hardcore gamers by showing that they aren't actually cranking out casual games left and right.



Casual is a BS term.

Miyamoto says:

Games that 'Casuals' can play are being enjoyed by hardcore and played lots by hardcore. Example - Wii Sports

Games that 'Hardcore' can play are being enjoyed by casual and played lots by casual. Example will be - Mario Galaxy.

Grand Theft Auto is a Casual game that hardcores love.

This argument is so f'n stupid and is reserved for meltdown prone Internet fanboys.

Any Nintendo fan that has said 'i'm abandoning Nintendo they've forgotten about MEEEEEEEE' is a stupid twerp in my eyes.



Umm just because some hardcore gamers enjoy casual games does not make those casual games hardcore.

Grand Theft Auto is casual? Since when?