I'm not saying Sony is doomed or anything of the sort. That would be ignorant. However, I am saying that some gamers have ever right to be bitter towards the company, and kick them while they are down. Turnabout is fair play, afterall. Sony has made some significant mistakes, at the cost of you and myself. That's why I don't defend them.

Also, it seems my earlier words have refocused the direction of this thread, as I assumed they would. Getting in on the ground of a thread like this makes your opinions more visible, and mine aren't forgiving of the big S.

Needless to say, that everything I said was right in at least some fashion. I didn't make anything up, and if you have issue with it, it's more than likely that you simply didn't understand what I was saying, rather than you disagreeing with me. Very little of what I've said in this thread is actually seriously debatable, to be honest, and I'd prefer not to waste my time arguing it with people who haven't though it through very well, beyond an initial knee jerk angry retort.

Of course, this only goes for one or two of you, but it needed saying.

So you think most of those threads were created by sony fans? lol

It's 399 dollars. It's overpriced. No amount of features and value that Sony "adds" to the console can change that simply little general assuption. I'm a gamer, my friend. I'm not trying to combat my own cognitive dissonance, or justify my purchases. I want to buy a Playstation 3, not a Blu-Ray player. Nobody has a choice though. Sony forced you to buy a Blu-Ray player. They forced you to, my friend. You had no choice. None. It wasn't necessary. Saying it is, is ignorance.

Let me explain.

If I sell you a hamburger for 50 cents.

Then I say, "But wait! To buy this hamburger, you also have to buy this blu-ray player with it, which will cost you 199.99. It's a GREAT VALUE. You can eat the hamburger on top of it, like a plate. With a big-mac, you have to use your own plate."

Then, am I giving you a good deal? Isn't that also an excellent value? Or, instead, am I just being an asshole, and trying to market you a Blu-Ray player via the bait/and/hook method?

Yes, that is why your argument is biased. It's from the point of view of a product and its value. It doesn't factor in anything besides that, like the needless tacking on of expensive devices. It's spin. It's Sony PR. It makes no sense, and it makes me sick, sir.

Because SONY is not our friend

A console selling at a loss does not offer value? that doesn't make any sense. What makes sense is that value is relative and some don't need/want the extras that keep it's price high.

So potential ps3 buyers make their decisions based on vgc rants now? Don't make me laugh.

I agree. The PS3 and sony hate has gotten out of control. I just want a week where the PS3 smashes the 360 (and maybe even the wii)....just one...

Blu Ray players were going for as low as $129 on black friday. So, even though I want a Blu Ray, and will eventually get one, now it's probably not going to be the PS3, which it would have been if the stand alone players still cost that much. My other potential reason for getting a PS3 was Final Fantasy. Both reasons gone.

But Blu Ray will only get cheaper. I can't imagine next black friday, $99 or less?

Eh, PS3 looks alright, it's just Xbox owners and Wii owners looking at it, judging it based on price and realizing aside from HD movie disks, there is nothing they can't already do on their systems. I'll probably get one a long time from now when it has dropped under 200, if that ever happens. If not, no biggie.

I bought a ps3 for $500 and I'm not rich by any means. What on earth could have gotten me to do something like that? PR rant? Was I forced? I don't think so.

Perhaps some really do find the package of "value" as evident in the millions of sales. Granted, these are a niche group (again relative sales are evidence enough). Thats where sony made their mistake. The people who find the extras valuable aren't enough to boost the sales of the console to the position they want