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Nice, rebuttals.

@dacobra786, simmer down little one.

"i dont know where u are getting numbers such as 5.3 mill head start look at even the VG numbers at september 06 they had shipped/sold over 6million so 2months later when ps3 came out those 6million shipped probably were sold or even more so i would say more like 6.5million to 7million start and now ps3 have sold over 4.5 million and close to 5 and 360 is still at 10million and about to be passed by wii so i doooo think in reality that ps3 has just as good of a shot of passing 360 as wii just that wii will do it alot sooner...."

Well let's look at this. MS said they shipped to retailers 6m by September and 10.4m by January and 12m by what June. Look at the graph below and click on the big box. Then put your cursor over the green 360 line at about 11/12/06 directly above the beginning of the PS3 line. You should see a number appear, thats right approximately 5.3m sold to CONSUMERS. So my numbers are approximately right for all intents and purposes.

@http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php

".................also here is another question name me even 3 great killer aps games that 360 are coming out with for next year................??? ok how about PS3...........KILLZONE2, MGS4, FFXIII, FFXIII-Versus, Little big planet, i mean sony is coming out with great extensive selection of games and another price drope so....."

To start off, none of the games you listed have actual dates. So, hey just like GTA4 you never know when they will actually get released. Now, I not ignorant so, I would be they Killzone2, MGS4, and LBP will see retail in 2008. However, I am not so sure about FFXIII in any form.

As for 360, others already mentioned some games that also have no definite dates. The only place where games are in the favor of Sony are Japan and the difference between NA and Japan for 360 and PS3 respectively are a wash as far as I can see.

As for the price drop. Every time Sony drops the PS3 in price 360 will match. There will always be a 360 cheaper, so unless the game library really starts to shift I don't see this as a big factor.


"..........i ask u again do u still see 360 as the crown winner at the end..........feel free to add cause i like to know what i missed :)"

The crown winner is already on his throne, Wii. The prince and jester has yet to be decided though. Based on some of the well said arguments from other people, I will reduce my original 85% chance of 360 beating PS3 to 65%. The fact that 360 is completely non-existent in Japan and that PS consoles usually do very well in the 'Others' category makes me rethink my original %.



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Hus said:
Lost tears of Kain said:
Hus your only hurting yourself with your arguments'

 Yahh reality is really hurting me.

Maybe Ms was soo Cash starved they could not come up with a deal and continue to support their product. 


Im not going to argue with a fanboy who wont even listen to opinons cause his almighty console is number 1

Stop dissing MS i dont go around dissing sony for their danm faults i think both have their pros and cons.



                 With regard to Call of Duty 4 having an ultra short single player campaign, I guess it may well have been due to the size limitations of DVD on the XBox 360, one of various limitations multi-platform game designers will have to take into consideration-Mike B   

Proud supporter of all 3 console companys

Proud owner of 360wii and DS/psp              

Game trailers-Halo 3 only dissapointed the people who wanted to be dissapointed.

Bet with Harvey Birdman that Lost Odyssey will sell more then Blue dragon did.
superchunk said:
Nice, rebuttals.

@dacobra786, simmer down little one.

"i dont know where u are getting numbers such as 5.3 mill head start look at even the VG numbers at september 06 they had shipped/sold over 6million so 2months later when ps3 came out those 6million shipped probably were sold or even more so i would say more like 6.5million to 7million start and now ps3 have sold over 4.5 million and close to 5 and 360 is still at 10million and about to be passed by wii so i doooo think in reality that ps3 has just as good of a shot of passing 360 as wii just that wii will do it alot sooner...."

Well let's look at this. MS said they shipped to retailers 6m by September and 10.4m by January and 12m by what June. Look at the graph below and click on the big box. Then put your cursor over the green 360 line at about 11/12/06 directly above the beginning of the PS3 line. You should see a number appear, thats right approximately 5.3m sold to CONSUMERS. So my numbers are approximately right for all intents and purposes.

@http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php

".................also here is another question name me even 3 great killer aps games that 360 are coming out with for next year................??? ok how about PS3...........KILLZONE2, MGS4, FFXIII, FFXIII-Versus, Little big planet, i mean sony is coming out with great extensive selection of games and another price drope so....."

To start off, none of the games you listed have actual dates. So, hey just like GTA4 you never know when they will actually get released. Now, I not ignorant so, I would be they Killzone2, MGS4, and LBP will see retail in 2008. However, I am not so sure about FFXIII in any form.

As for 360, others already mentioned some games that also have no definite dates. The only place where games are in the favor of Sony are Japan and the difference between NA and Japan for 360 and PS3 respectively are a wash as far as I can see.

As for the price drop. Every time Sony drops the PS3 in price 360 will match. There will always be a 360 cheaper, so unless the game library really starts to shift I don't see this as a big factor.


"..........i ask u again do u still see 360 as the crown winner at the end..........feel free to add cause i like to know what i missed :)"

The crown winner is already on his throne, Wii. The prince and jester has yet to be decided though. Based on some of the well said arguments from other people, I will reduce my original 85% chance of 360 beating PS3 to 65%. The fact that 360 is completely non-existent in Japan and that PS consoles usually do very well in the 'Others' category makes me rethink my original %.

Good work cartmen i agree almost 100%



                 With regard to Call of Duty 4 having an ultra short single player campaign, I guess it may well have been due to the size limitations of DVD on the XBox 360, one of various limitations multi-platform game designers will have to take into consideration-Mike B   

Proud supporter of all 3 console companys

Proud owner of 360wii and DS/psp              

Game trailers-Halo 3 only dissapointed the people who wanted to be dissapointed.

Bet with Harvey Birdman that Lost Odyssey will sell more then Blue dragon did.

It will happen in 08, with the line up they have outsellign the 360 by 500k will be a walk in the park.  While 360 will sale less and less as PS3 takes potential buyer away form it.

Gran Turismo 5 will literally kill the 360 in europe. 
FF13 will significantly grow sales in Japan.
MGS4, Killzone2, GTA4, Resistance2, Socom4, GT5 and the US market is ni happy 360 place. 

 

 


Now who's had too many beers?  Outselling the Xbox 360 by 500K a month is no walk in the park (not even for Nintendo).  By the way, GTA4 is coming out for the Xbox 360, as well.

 My predictions:

1) The Wii will start losing it's appeal sometime in 2008 and you will be able to find them anywhere.  The price will drop to a still too high $199.  By early 2010, the gimmicky Wii-mote will not be enough to offset the slightly upgraded Gamecube graphics and Nintendo will have to drop to $99, at which point they will annouce either a replacement console with decent graphics or that they will be a handheld-only hardware company.  

2) The Xbox 360 will have a huge Christmas 2007 in North America and a fair amount of success in Europe, but the stubborn Japanese will never swallow their pride to buy the Xbox 360 in any meaningful way.  Although Japan hurts Xbox 360's worldwide sales, overall it won't change the current position by much (either Xbox 360 or Wii will be number one worldwide by a slight margin).  Microsoft will be caught a little off guard in 2008 and lose ground to $ony, but will rebound in 2009 to take back the top spot.

3) The P$3 will have a decent Holiday 2007 in all markets, but remain in third place.  After a jump in 2008 (with another price drop to $500 for the 80 GB), $ony will rest on it's laurels and lose ground in 2009.  Another price drop in 2009: $400 for the 200 GB model, but they won't take the crown from Microsoft until 2011, when the next generation starts with Microsoft and possibly Nintendo.  $ony barely makes their entry in 2012. 

 



Lost tears of Kain said:
Hus said:
Lost tears of Kain said:
Hus your only hurting yourself with your arguments'

Yahh reality is really hurting me.

Maybe Ms was soo Cash starved they could not come up with a deal and continue to support their product.


Im not going to argue with a fanboy who wont even listen to opinons cause his almighty console is number 1

Stop dissing MS i dont go around dissing sony for their danm faults i think both have their pros and cons.


Red ring of death, 360 poor quality - FACT
Ms droping all support for their console - FACT (reasons dont change anything)
Sony still making games for PS2, MS NOt making any for Xbox - FACT

 Stating the facts is not dissing anything, grow a brain.



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rager1969 said:
dacobra786 said:
feel free to add cause i like to know what i missed :)

Apparently, you missed some English and/or composition classes. But if U R 2 kewl to use proper spelling and grammar, at least use the Enter key once in a while to put some white space into a long post.

That said, I can understand why you may not be aware of what's coming out for the Xbox 360 in 2008 because Microsoft's E3 announcements concentrated on this holiday season. These are some of the games I am aware of:

Alan Wake

Fable 2

Splinter Cell: Conviction

Halo Wars

Too Human

 

 

 I doubt Too Human will be out in 2009. 

 



rager1969 said:

It will happen in 08, with the line up they have outsellign the 360 by 500k will be a walk in the park.  While 360 will sale less and less as PS3 takes potential buyer away form it.

Gran Turismo 5 will literally kill the 360 in europe. 
FF13 will significantly grow sales in Japan.
MGS4, Killzone2, GTA4, Resistance2, Socom4, GT5 and the US market is ni happy 360 place. 

 

 


Now who's had too many beers?  Outselling the Xbox 360 by 500K a month is no walk in the park (not even for Nintendo).  By the way, GTA4 is coming out for the Xbox 360, as well.

 My predictions:

1) The Wii will start losing it's appeal sometime in 2008 and you will be able to find them anywhere.  The price will drop to a still too high $199.  By early 2010, the gimmicky Wii-mote will not be enough to offset the slightly upgraded Gamecube graphics and Nintendo will have to drop to $99, at which point they will annouce either a replacement console with decent graphics or that they will be a handheld-only hardware company.  

2) The Xbox 360 will have a huge Christmas 2007 in North America and a fair amount of success in Europe, but the stubborn Japanese will never swallow their pride to buy the Xbox 360 in any meaningful way.  Although Japan hurts Xbox 360's worldwide sales, overall it won't change the current position by much (either Xbox 360 or Wii will be number one worldwide by a slight margin).  Microsoft will be caught a little off guard in 2008 and lose ground to $ony, but will rebound in 2009 to take back the top spot.

3) The P$3 will have a decent Holiday 2007 in all markets, but remain in third place.  After a jump in 2008 (with another price drop to $500 for the 80 GB), $ony will rest on it's laurels and lose ground in 2009.  Another price drop in 2009: $400 for the 200 GB model, but they won't take the crown from Microsoft until 2011, when the next generation starts with Microsoft and possibly Nintendo.  $ony barely makes their entry in 2012. 

 


I agree the guy has had to many beers

I can see that happening if they only lower it to 500 and microsoft can give the xbox a good price cut and more good games coming

I see it hard since ps3 is set in new tech for a while, but xbox 360 could get old in 2 years or but who knows i dont im no expert

I think its a good prediction =)



                 With regard to Call of Duty 4 having an ultra short single player campaign, I guess it may well have been due to the size limitations of DVD on the XBox 360, one of various limitations multi-platform game designers will have to take into consideration-Mike B   

Proud supporter of all 3 console companys

Proud owner of 360wii and DS/psp              

Game trailers-Halo 3 only dissapointed the people who wanted to be dissapointed.

Bet with Harvey Birdman that Lost Odyssey will sell more then Blue dragon did.

Others have already touched on this, but I will reinforce those arguments.

When the PS3 was released last Novemeber, VGChartz shows that the 360 had sold approximately 5.3 million systems worldwide:

http://vgchartz.com/weekly.php?date=39033

At this point in time, the 360 has sold 10.3 million, while the PS3 has sold 4.1 million:

http://vgchartz.com/weekly.php?date=39299

In short, the 360 has actually pulled 800k systems farther ahead over the last 9 months. In addition, the list of games available on the 360 is larger and better received:

http://www.gamingtarget.com/article.php?artid=7252

You can see here that the 360 has 16 "proven" franchises in this list, with the PS3 at 12. In addition, the 360 has 49 exclusives in development overall, while the PS3 has only 39.

Coupling these factors with a lower price point, I don't see what factors people are using to conclude that the PS3 will overtake the 360 any time soon. I'm not saying it's not possible, I just don't see the tangible evidence for it.



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Lost tears of Kain said:
 

Im not going to argue with a fanboy who wont even listen to opinons cause his almighty console is number 1

Stop dissing MS i dont go around dissing sony for their danm faults i think both have their pros and cons.


 Your should be the last one to accuse anyone of being a fanboy, you can't even accpet the well known proven weakness's of the 360 or the failures of MS!  



FilaBrasileiro said:
rager1969 said:
dacobra786 said:
feel free to add cause i like to know what i missed :)

Apparently, you missed some English and/or composition classes. But if U R 2 kewl to use proper spelling and grammar, at least use the Enter key once in a while to put some white space into a long post.

That said, I can understand why you may not be aware of what's coming out for the Xbox 360 in 2008 because Microsoft's E3 announcements concentrated on this holiday season. These are some of the games I am aware of:

Alan Wake

Fable 2

Splinter Cell: Conviction

Halo Wars

Too Human

 

 

I doubt Too Human will be out in 2009.

 


That's how I feel about FF XIII, too!



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