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Tyrannical on 11 December 2008
bugrimmar said:
yeah, i know. that's why i'm saying right now, at this point in time, they're still selling equally on a yearly basis.

 

Right now, at this time the 360 is outselling the PS3 roughly 2-1.

Right now, at this time they are not selling equally.

On average, they have sold the same this year.



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Ronster316 on 11 December 2008

One things for sure, microsoft have cleary become a big player in the console market now and they said right at the start of their 2nd generation that they were going after sony, for me they have "wounded" sony this gen and next gen they will deliver the knockout blow.



goddog on 11 December 2008

arnt numbers magical.... using them, you can make almost any point you want and have proof to back it up.


on topic. when we finish out the year, there should be a +1 mill or so for the year in favor of the xbox, that would make them seem a lot less even. this i know is quite a shock as most people did not eve expect the xbox to make up the ground sony had taken all year which going it the holidays was just over 1 million. your argument becomes invalidated if the 360 puts up that million, and grows its post ps3 launch to better then the lead ever was for the period before the ps3 launch.



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mrpapaye on 11 December 2008

Yep, nice way to manipulate the numbers but as you can verify here :

http://vgchartz.com/weekly.php?date=39033&boxartz=1

the gap was 5.2 millions at launch...



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Sansui on 11 December 2008

News flash, game developers don't care where the console base advantage comes from, they just care it exists.

Damage control desperation is strong in this thread 0.o
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NJ5 on 11 December 2008
mrpapaye said:

Yep, nice way to manipulate the numbers but as you can verify here :

http://vgchartz.com/weekly.php?date=39033&boxartz=1

the gap was 5.2 millions at launch...

Ding-ding! We have a winner!

The fantastic trick the OP did was related to the 2006 numbers, which are only partly pre-PS3 launch.

 



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MikeB on 11 December 2008

How much of a lead would be considered reasonable for the 360 at a lower entry pricing, a premature dead of the original console lacking support afterwards considering:

- 1 year headstart in Japan and the United States
- 1 year and 5 months headstart for PAL regions
- Years headstart for various countries, like in South America where the PS3 will be launched next year?

How many million units should a healthy console minimally sell per year?



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MikeB on 11 December 2008
NJ5 said:
mrpapaye said:

Yep, nice way to manipulate the numbers but as you can verify here :

http://vgchartz.com/weekly.php?date=39033&boxartz=1

the gap was 5.2 millions at launch...

Ding-ding! We have a winner!

So the 360 only sold 5.2 million units its first year on the market in PAL regions, North America and Japan combined? You have to wonder then why the PS3 received so much crap for selling well more units its first year on the market in North America, PAL regions and Japan and this at a more expensive entry pricing....



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales

NJ5 on 11 December 2008
MikeB said:

So the 360 only sold 5.2 million units its first year on the market in Pal regions, North America and Japan combined? You have to wonder then why the PS3 received so much crap for selling well more units its first year on the market in North America, PAL regions and Japan and this at a more expensive entry pricing....

The 360 was competing against the PS2 during that time, which as you can imagine was not easy.

The PS3 received a lot of crap because it was expected to dominate from the outright start due to its brand name, reliability, Blu-Ray, power of the Cell and so on. Remember the "we can sell 5 million without any games" thing?

Unfortunately for Sony, that plan didn't work. The plan is now looking worse than ever due to the worsening economy.

 



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MikeB on 11 December 2008

@ NJ5

Remember the "we can sell 5 million without any games" thing?


They probably can if they focussed on Blu-Ray and multi-media features.

I didn't have such expectations, I knew entry pricing would go against this and like I stated years before the PS3 released it would take some time for devs to be able to show its worth.

Selling 5 million PS3s (sold below costs) with marketing at launch without games (profitable) would have been extremely costly though. We're talking billions here.



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales