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19 games have sold 1 million copies and the system itself has only sold 17.5 million. I like it



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woah nightsurge you're getting kinda ridiculous.

wiiplay sales certainly can be argued. that game is more of a techdemo or just a compilation of the type of games you'd play free on the internet (hence why it sales for 10 bucks). but notice i said "that game" because it still is a game, tech demo or not. now yes i agree most people bought wiiplay cuz of the controller and there are usually more wiiplays than there are solo controllers in stock. however the one person that i know that has wiiplay bought it for the game. there's also certainly the idea that hey i need a new controller and i can get it plus wii play for just 10 bucks more.

i think most of the sales of wiiplay are simply due to great marketing (bundled with a controller, only 10 dollars, has the name wii in it so people that don't know about it think its gonna be a great game like wiisports). however those are its sales and while i don't think its fair in comparisons to say its sold 15 million or whatever its even less fair to give it zero sales. it seems like one of those things where you need to include its sales but give it an asteriks. cuz just taking some arbitraty percentage of its sales to try to make it more fair is just completely random.


now really where you get crazy nightsurge is when it comes to wiisports. from your last few posts your absurd hatred of wiisports is clear. despite it selling over 3 million copies for about $40 a pop in japan you pretend like that doesn't count by saying the japanese are paying too much for this tech demo and so it doesn't count. well i think $60 is too much for any game so everyone is overpaying for$60 hd games so they don't count either. see how ridiculous it is.

first wiisports is definitely is a game. a full fledged game. it has 5 sports, while some are simplified and none have a ton of depth (depth does not mean replay value) it also has 15 training modes and a wii fit test. its a full fledged multisport game. also i'm guessing you've either never played it or you are one of those gamers who refuse to accept any casual game no matter how fun it is. because the game is freakin awesome. there are few games i've played as much as i've played wiisports, and i didnt just play multiplayer. at least half my time if not more was spent singleplayer, especially on boxing and golf.

also the reason why wii is the fastest selling system of all time: wiisports. millions of people bought the system after playing just that game. two friends and two family members bought the system for wiisports after they played it on my wii. your idea of wiisports only costing 10 dollars is ridiculous in the first place cuz it would probably be a 30 dollar game(like re4:wii, should we not count the 1.6 million sales of re4 cuz of that pricing?). also many people thought the game was worth not 10 or 30 or even 50 dollars, but 250 for that one game. because tons of people who wouldn't have bought the system bought it just for wiisports. and finally theres the fact that if wiisports wasn't bundled but the wii still sold as much as it has wiisports (being the primary system selling game) would by now probably have sold maybe 20 million copies. in terms of popularity and sales its basically the wiifit that launched with the system.

so if you say wiisports has zero sales you are an idiot. if you say it has 3.3 or whatever from japan you are pretending like the hottest game of this gen doesn't exist outside of japan which is also dumb. you can't really guess at the sales nonbundled to include in a comparison like this cuz that would be random, although it obvsiously would've sold more than wiiplay has so thats like a bottom number for a guess. so all you can do is include all wiisports sales and again put an asteriks by it.



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nightsurge said:
izaaz101 said:

Wii sports retails for $40 in Japan, and has sold in excess of 3 million......so that's been debunked.

The Wii also sells for $300 USD in Japan as apposed to $250.  Just goes to show the strength of the Japanese currency right now, so your debunking has been debunked.  If Japan really wants to purchase an arcade game for $20 more than it's worth, I guess that's their own choice.  Here in the US/Americas/Europe, Wii Sports and Wii Play would sell for $10.

You've got it backwards. When the Wii launched, it sold for 25000 yen in Japan, with Wii Sports priced at 4800 yen. If you're telling me the Wii is sold $300 there, then their Wii Sports price is $57. Either way, you can't worm out of this one - face it, it's not a demo disc. Whether you like it or not, people would pay full price for it.

Observe the sales of a much less popular game, Wii Music. It's priced at $50 and will probably hit 2mil sales before the end of the year. Wii Sports Resort will be a game that'll make your argument look really silly.


@ The downloaded games argument: The Wii would win this one. I'm not quite sure what Hexic HD has sold, but if we use VGC's methods, the Wii has 4 (likely 5 by now) VC games above a million.

Wii - http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=2580

360 - http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=2569



sega4life said:
bdbdbd said:
@sega4life: And that's the thing i was explaining to you. So, what you actually are saying, is that Wii Play drives controller sales and not the opposite, which is the issue with the OP.

 

I'm saying:

like last year, the only time you got your hands on a Wiimote was to get Wiiplay, and like this year, when walking through a Wal*Mart, Best-Buy, and Circuit City last Friday, I saw no Wiimotes, but kiosks half filled with Wiiplay.

Also look at Others* numbers below, suddenly WiiPlay is a huge hit that everyone just had to have, or lack of Wiimotes on them market and the only way to get them was to buy a bundle.

Others Top 5, 29th Nov 2008

1 Wii Sports 502,810
2 Mario Kart Wii 230,735
3 Wii Fit 205,870
4 Wii Play 154,810
5 Resistance 2 141,877

Lots of extra Wiis sold = lots of extra wii plays because more people are buying controllers and say "What the hell... it's only 10 extra dollars."

 



nightsurge said:
izaaz101 said:
nightsurge said:
Zucas said:
I stopped reading after the removal of Wii Play and Wii Sports. I mean if we are going to do this we might as well remove every game that's been bundled. Uncharted, Forza 2, MGS4, Marvel: Ultimate Alliance, Lego Indiana Jones, Viva Pinata, Sonic and the Secret Rings, and Motorstorm to name a few. I mean of course by your logic we must assume buyer motive to buying it was for the bundle that wasn't the software and not the software itself.

And with your logic of removing Wii Play, we must also remove all Guitar Heros, Rock Bands, Mario Kart Wii, Wii Fit, or any other product that includes hardware in it. Once again by your logic we must assume the majority buy was for that of the hardware and not htat of the software.


You see their is a problem with your logic and that is... well for one your logic doesn't exist. There is none present in your reason for removing any title off the list especially when its biasedly done to take certain titles out. Secondly you assume reasons as to why a consumer bought something instead of taking the simplest answer: that they are buying the entire product which includes the software. Meaning bundles with hardware should be included when discussing this because when the bundle was bought the software was being bought as well and knowingly so. Hell that doesn't even matter anyways whether they know they were buying it because they still bought it.

You can't argue dominance of a purchase with bundles because there is no sound reasoning to it which you clearly proved to us.

Ok, how many times do I have to say this?  I think sega4life is the only one that caught on.  I don't count Wii Sports and Wii Play because they are not full games.  They are the equivalent of bundling an arcade game package with the system, or a demo disc like sega said.  I don't count these games because if they sold by themselves, they would sell for $10 or less.

Now, about not counting games like Guitar Hero and the sort, you are sadly mistaken about my logic.  Those games, it is NECESSARY to have those controllers, and the games themselves also sell separately for full price, which is not the equivalent of an arcade game, like Wii Sports and Wii Play are.  Mario Kart Wii comes with a driving wheel, but that has no purpose at all since it has no buttons or function.  It merely is a controler case.  People don't buy Guitar Hero and Mario Kart Wii for the guitar controller or the wheel, they buy them for the game, and the controller is a needed add-on, the wheel is a helpful but not necessary add-on.

The games Wii Sports and Wii Play are short, minigame, arcade style games.  They would sell for $10 or less as an arcade game, which is mostly why I do not include them.  All other bundles were of full retail games, so I did not touch those.  Since arcade sales are not included, I felt that Wii Sports and Wii Play should not be included, no matter how much they would have sold without the bundling, they would have sold for the equivalent of an arcade game.

 

Wii sports retails for $40 in Japan, and has sold in excess of 3 million......so that's been debunked.

 

The Wii also sells for $300 USD in Japan as apposed to $250.  Just goes to show the strength of the Japanese currency right now, so your debunking has been debunked.  If Japan really wants to purchase an arcade game for $20 more than it's worth, I guess that's their own choice.  Here in the US/Americas/Europe, Wii Sports and Wii Play would sell for $10.

 

Wii sports was 40 USD Dollars at launch.  It's much more now due to the increase in the yen.

 



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Where is Hexic HD?



JaggedSac said:
Where is Hexic HD?

Hexic HD is predownloaded on the harddrive to my knowledge.  Making it a download game only.



Kasz216 said:
JaggedSac said:
Where is Hexic HD?

Hexic HD is predownloaded on the harddrive to my knowledge.  Making it a download game only.

It comes on a disk, you don't have to download it. So it should count! :)



Esa-Petteri said:
Kasz216 said:
JaggedSac said:
Where is Hexic HD?

Hexic HD is predownloaded on the harddrive to my knowledge.  Making it a download game only.

It comes on a disk, you don't have to download it. So it should count! :)

Really?  Cause from what i've read it's pre downloaded on your system and if you delete it you have to call microsoft to get a new code to download it since they have no record of your purchase.

Also Wikipedia states it's predownloaded on your HD.

"The included hard drive comes with game demos, video clips and a free Live Arcade game, Hexic"

I see plenty of other sites that state it's predownloaded too.  I don't see it in your gamer collection so i'm going to assume you don't have one of those discs to contradict everything.

So sorry, unless you can show some evidence to the contrary i'm going to guess your just making it up.



Kasz216 said:
Esa-Petteri said:
Kasz216 said:
JaggedSac said:
Where is Hexic HD?

Hexic HD is predownloaded on the harddrive to my knowledge.  Making it a download game only.

It comes on a disk, you don't have to download it. So it should count! :)

Really?  Cause from what i've read it's pre downloaded on your system and if you delete it you have to call microsoft to get a new code to download it since they have no record of your purchase.

Also Wikipedia states it's predownloaded on your HD.


Uh, isn't hd a disk too? I don't get your point, is there something wrong if ms offers you free replacement if you happen to lose your game? Do you get a another free copy from nintendo if you lose your wii sports?