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nightsurge on 05 December 2008
izaaz101 said:
nightsurge said:
Zucas said:
I stopped reading after the removal of Wii Play and Wii Sports. I mean if we are going to do this we might as well remove every game that's been bundled. Uncharted, Forza 2, MGS4, Marvel: Ultimate Alliance, Lego Indiana Jones, Viva Pinata, Sonic and the Secret Rings, and Motorstorm to name a few. I mean of course by your logic we must assume buyer motive to buying it was for the bundle that wasn't the software and not the software itself.

And with your logic of removing Wii Play, we must also remove all Guitar Heros, Rock Bands, Mario Kart Wii, Wii Fit, or any other product that includes hardware in it. Once again by your logic we must assume the majority buy was for that of the hardware and not htat of the software.


You see their is a problem with your logic and that is... well for one your logic doesn't exist. There is none present in your reason for removing any title off the list especially when its biasedly done to take certain titles out. Secondly you assume reasons as to why a consumer bought something instead of taking the simplest answer: that they are buying the entire product which includes the software. Meaning bundles with hardware should be included when discussing this because when the bundle was bought the software was being bought as well and knowingly so. Hell that doesn't even matter anyways whether they know they were buying it because they still bought it.

You can't argue dominance of a purchase with bundles because there is no sound reasoning to it which you clearly proved to us.

Ok, how many times do I have to say this?  I think sega4life is the only one that caught on.  I don't count Wii Sports and Wii Play because they are not full games.  They are the equivalent of bundling an arcade game package with the system, or a demo disc like sega said.  I don't count these games because if they sold by themselves, they would sell for $10 or less.

Now, about not counting games like Guitar Hero and the sort, you are sadly mistaken about my logic.  Those games, it is NECESSARY to have those controllers, and the games themselves also sell separately for full price, which is not the equivalent of an arcade game, like Wii Sports and Wii Play are.  Mario Kart Wii comes with a driving wheel, but that has no purpose at all since it has no buttons or function.  It merely is a controler case.  People don't buy Guitar Hero and Mario Kart Wii for the guitar controller or the wheel, they buy them for the game, and the controller is a needed add-on, the wheel is a helpful but not necessary add-on.

The games Wii Sports and Wii Play are short, minigame, arcade style games.  They would sell for $10 or less as an arcade game, which is mostly why I do not include them.  All other bundles were of full retail games, so I did not touch those.  Since arcade sales are not included, I felt that Wii Sports and Wii Play should not be included, no matter how much they would have sold without the bundling, they would have sold for the equivalent of an arcade game.

 

Wii sports retails for $40 in Japan, and has sold in excess of 3 million......so that's been debunked.

 

The Wii also sells for $300 USD in Japan as apposed to $250.  Just goes to show the strength of the Japanese currency right now, so your debunking has been debunked.  If Japan really wants to purchase an arcade game for $20 more than it's worth, I guess that's their own choice.  Here in the US/Americas/Europe, Wii Sports and Wii Play would sell for $10.

 



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izaaz101 on 05 December 2008
nightsurge said:
izaaz101 said:
nightsurge said:
Zucas said:
I stopped reading after the removal of Wii Play and Wii Sports. I mean if we are going to do this we might as well remove every game that's been bundled. Uncharted, Forza 2, MGS4, Marvel: Ultimate Alliance, Lego Indiana Jones, Viva Pinata, Sonic and the Secret Rings, and Motorstorm to name a few. I mean of course by your logic we must assume buyer motive to buying it was for the bundle that wasn't the software and not the software itself.

And with your logic of removing Wii Play, we must also remove all Guitar Heros, Rock Bands, Mario Kart Wii, Wii Fit, or any other product that includes hardware in it. Once again by your logic we must assume the majority buy was for that of the hardware and not htat of the software.


You see their is a problem with your logic and that is... well for one your logic doesn't exist. There is none present in your reason for removing any title off the list especially when its biasedly done to take certain titles out. Secondly you assume reasons as to why a consumer bought something instead of taking the simplest answer: that they are buying the entire product which includes the software. Meaning bundles with hardware should be included when discussing this because when the bundle was bought the software was being bought as well and knowingly so. Hell that doesn't even matter anyways whether they know they were buying it because they still bought it.

You can't argue dominance of a purchase with bundles because there is no sound reasoning to it which you clearly proved to us.

Ok, how many times do I have to say this?  I think sega4life is the only one that caught on.  I don't count Wii Sports and Wii Play because they are not full games.  They are the equivalent of bundling an arcade game package with the system, or a demo disc like sega said.  I don't count these games because if they sold by themselves, they would sell for $10 or less.

Now, about not counting games like Guitar Hero and the sort, you are sadly mistaken about my logic.  Those games, it is NECESSARY to have those controllers, and the games themselves also sell separately for full price, which is not the equivalent of an arcade game, like Wii Sports and Wii Play are.  Mario Kart Wii comes with a driving wheel, but that has no purpose at all since it has no buttons or function.  It merely is a controler case.  People don't buy Guitar Hero and Mario Kart Wii for the guitar controller or the wheel, they buy them for the game, and the controller is a needed add-on, the wheel is a helpful but not necessary add-on.

The games Wii Sports and Wii Play are short, minigame, arcade style games.  They would sell for $10 or less as an arcade game, which is mostly why I do not include them.  All other bundles were of full retail games, so I did not touch those.  Since arcade sales are not included, I felt that Wii Sports and Wii Play should not be included, no matter how much they would have sold without the bundling, they would have sold for the equivalent of an arcade game.

 

Wii sports retails for $40 in Japan, and has sold in excess of 3 million......so that's been debunked.

 

The Wii also sells for $300 USD in Japan as apposed to $250.  Just goes to show the strength of the Japanese currency right now, so your debunking has been debunked.  If Japan really wants to purchase an arcade game for $20 more than it's worth, I guess that's their own choice.  Here in the US/Americas/Europe, Wii Sports and Wii Play would sell for $10.

 

And what about at launch? Was it $300 then?

Maybe it's just me, but I see ARCADE fighters sell for much more than $10.

Edit: I forgot to add the great arcade game, DDR.......that retails @ $50 or more.



Esa-Petteri on 05 December 2008

Just wondering, why isn't that 360 arcade bundle counted? Or hexic hd? Hexic has sold something like 24 million!



TWRoO on 05 December 2008

Seriously there is an ample supply of Wii remotes here in the UK.... Perhaps in the US it is different but here Wii play is selling alongside the Wii remote, not because of a lack of the other.



TWRoO on 05 December 2008
Esa-Petteri said:
Just wondering, why isn't that 360 arcade bundle counted? Or hexic hd? Hexic has sold something like 24 million!

It is, and are you seriously trying to claim a 100% attach ratio for an online game?

 



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Esa-Petteri on 05 December 2008
TWRoO said:
Esa-Petteri said:
Just wondering, why isn't that 360 arcade bundle counted? Or hexic hd? Hexic has sold something like 24 million!

It is, and are you seriously trying to claim a 100% attach ratio for an online game?

 

So where are the sales numbers for those 5 games? :) Haven't seen them on vgchartz. I think it has 100% attach rate, since it is preloaded.

 



TWRoO on 05 December 2008
Esa-Petteri said:
TWRoO said:
Esa-Petteri said:
Just wondering, why isn't that 360 arcade bundle counted? Or hexic hd? Hexic has sold something like 24 million!

It is, and are you seriously trying to claim a 100% attach ratio for an online game?

 

So where are the sales numbers for those 5 games? :) Haven't seen them on vgchartz. I think it has 100% attach rate, since it is preloaded.

 

Oh wait you mean the downloadable game bundle.... in which case of course it isn't included... the same as none of the other downloadable games being included. Like all the PSN and VC/Wiiware.

 



Killergran on 05 December 2008
nightsurge said:
  • Nintendo needs to release more first party franchises
  • Nintendo needs to create new IP's for their first party games

Nintendo's biggest new franchise this generation is the Wii franchise.
Sales of Wii games are around 74 million the last two years. I'd say that's a hit, and most likely more than any other franchise has made during this time.

Newest released new IP is Wii Music, just crawling its way over 1 million.

Another quite new IP is Wii Fit, which slowly is making its way toward 12 million.

Fans are all crying over the fact that nintendo released and showcased new IP's at E3 instead of showing old stuff.

 

Btw, Wii Sports did actually sell way over 3 million in Japan (what PS360 game has even come close to that? And is there any with a close to 50% attatch ratio anywhere?). Saying that it's only WORTH $10, when it's actually selling for way more, is just stupid.

 

Wii needs even better 3rd party support.



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Groucho on 05 December 2008

If people want to lump WiiSports and WiiPlay into their own "million sellers" list, why argue with them? WiiSports and WiiPlay make up a third of the million sellers on the system, thus either they "don't count" or they are vastly superior to the majority of Wii games, because they are hot, hot, hot in the eyes of the consumer.

I prefer real billiards, bowling, etc. but (Americans in particular) adore their sofas, and perhaps they can no longer find a bowling lane or pool hall nearby to have fun with their friends at (sad but true, these kinds of places are dying off). Wii owners appear to prefer the on-the-sofa versions, from these sales numbers.

I don't see the issue with including them. =)



Esa-Petteri on 05 December 2008
TWRoO said:
Esa-Petteri said:
TWRoO said:
Esa-Petteri said:
Just wondering, why isn't that 360 arcade bundle counted? Or hexic hd? Hexic has sold something like 24 million!

It is, and are you seriously trying to claim a 100% attach ratio for an online game?

 

So where are the sales numbers for those 5 games? :) Haven't seen them on vgchartz. I think it has 100% attach rate, since it is preloaded.

 

Oh wait you mean the downloadable game bundle.... in which case of course it isn't included... the same as none of the other downloadable games being included. Like all the PSN and VC/Wiiware.

 

As far as I know, those games come on a disc(or a memorycard). They should be counted, just like wii sports.

 

edit:

 

Or do you want to discount them because they are also available on download? If so, do you discount GT5p/warhawk or other games that are also available on psn?