Ok, so I was bored and decided to look at the 3 consoles million sellers and see how they stack up compared to each other.

Wii
Number of Million Sellers: 30
Total Sales of Million Sellers: 142.7 million

X360
Number of Million Sellers: 53
Total Sales of Million Sellers: 116.1 million

PS3
Number of Million Sellers: 19
Total Sales of Million Sellers: 42.1 million

So as you can see, from total lifetime million sellers for Worldwide, the Wii is 26 million ahead of the 360 and 100 million ahead of PS3 software sales!  Now, I know this is not the most applauded thing to do, but if you look at the Wii's top 2 sellers they are Wii Sports and Wii Play with a combined total of over 52 million sold.  Now since Wii Sports is seemingly ONLY bundled and is no more different than an arcade bundle of games which are not counted on the million sellers list, I would like to remove it from consideration.  I have heard it is not bundled everywhere, but given that the MAJOR sales of this game were due to bundling, I'd like to remove it.

The next unthinkable thing I would like to do is remove Wii Play because again it is essentially an Arcade game bundled with a new controller.  Now, by all means this is a wonderful strategy and I would love it if Microsoft or Sony would bundle an XBLA or PSN game with their controllers.  It's a great means for moving the controller and the extra little games.  However, since it is an arcade type game, and since the major reason for buying it is the controller, I'd like to remove it as well.

The new totals for Wii:
Number of Million Sellers: 28
Total Sales of Million Sellers: 90.7 million

Now, this total still more than doubles the PS3's total million sales, but it slips it below the 360's total million sellers sales.  I think this is reasonable considering that over 1/3 of the Wii's million sellers total sales was the Wii Sports/Wii Play combo.  Looking at the picture after these changes, and you see what everyone has seen so far:

The Wii's first party games do wonders.  Wii Fit, Mario Kart Wii, SSBB, Super Mario Galaxy, Mario Party 8, and Legend of Zelda are all over 4 million and the first 2 are over 10 million.  But if you look down lower, Nintendo's games almost disappear, with 11 of the top 15 being first party Nintendo games.  As the sales get lower, it becomes clear that almost exclusively Nintendo games are the only ones that will sell more than 2 million LTD on the Wii.

Sure the Wii is a powerhouse software seller, but with the top 2 candidates excluded for good reason, the 360 actually is seen as a better seller.  It has nearly 20+ more million sellers, which to developers looks very promising and helps to build the 360's great third party line-up.  I guess the main things that can be taken from this thread are as follows:

• Nintendo needs better third party support
• Nintendo needs to release more first party franchises
• Nintendo needs to create new IP's for their first party games
• Nintendo needs to offer support to third party developers to increase their offerings
• Nintendo needs to continue its plans of bundling Wii Sports and Wii Play as it has been a great strategy so far, but they need to implement new games in these bundles to help out sales of other newer titles.

Nintendo's key to selling software is in it's strong, longtime franchises and first party games, so if they wish to continue this strategy, they need to release more first party games, and to really maximize their future chances, they need to generate new IPs rather than resort to the umteenth Mario or Zelda game.  Don't get me wrong, if you can make so many similar games and have them all sell extraordinarily well, why try to fix what isn't broken, right?  I just feel that if they really want to be a software selling giant with more recognizable games, they will need to create new ideas and start new series.  With all their innovation in the hardware, you'd think they would focus more on innovation of their games and not just with the controls, but with the story, characters, genres, advertising, online play.  They have some great new games like Boom Blox and others that are rarely noticed because of the lack of advertising and because almost all of their third party exclusives are overshadowed by the first party games.

If Nintendo wants to continue to dominate software sales, and WITHOUT the use of bundles, they need some refreshing.

If we remove Wii Sports and Wii Play, can we remove the last year of XBox 360 sales to have a fair comparison?

I ain't reading all that shit, but I think you can add at least 5-10 titles for each of them, the data here is way too incomplete.

we also need to remove titles like Forza 2, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Viva Pinata, and a few others.

Also, the Wii is missing at least 1-2 games where the data got fractured between multiple instances of the same game.

I honestly didn't get past the part where we were removing games from the list...

Damn straight.

You make it sound like Nintendo is having trouble somewhere... it's really puzzling. Are we living in the same world?

Crossing out Wii Sports entirely is not a smart idea. Do you remember how quickly the Wii took off at launch? Have you wondered what game they were buying the Wii for? I'll give you a hint, Wii Sports isn't bundled in Japan and has sold 3.3mil there, a ~46% attach rate. Worldwide that would translate to at least 18 million sales.

Also, somehow you forgot to include the fact that the 360 has had a 1 year lead to sell software. When talking about LTD sales, it's important to include this, otherwise we may as well throw in the PS2 and call all the current gen systems inferior sellers.

By the way, focusing solely on million sellers doesn't make much sense. There are plenty of other games out there (which is precisely what the Wii excels at). It's silly to draw conclusions about Wii's software selling ability when you discount most of its library.

Nice, but if you remove Wii sports as bundled software (which is fair) you must also substract quite some sales from Lego Indy, Kung Fu Panda, GT5P, MGS4, Uncharted, Forza 2, Marvel and whatever other games were bundled with the HD consoles.

Unfortuantly you can't unbundle the wii games because others call for viva and the likes to be unbundled.

That said people know Wii Sports is different ... viva is with margin of error in terms of the overall sales, wii Sports would NOT of sold anywhere frigging close to what it has if it was unpacked.

look like 2 posts above yours. It managed 46% in Japan alone. You could count 30% (~10m) of total sales, which might be reasonable, but you have no argument for 0 sales. Also, not counting Wii Play is just crap. No idiot would buy Wii play if they really didn't want it, as controllers can be bought for cheaper.

Just admit that you are grasping at straws to make it look like the Wii hasn't destroyed the competition.

Even if the majority of its sales comes from the bundle, Wii Sports' Japanese sales alone are well above a million so I don't see why it should be removed.