That's what leads to the problems.  Saying stuff like "every* possible way when they are clearly not, or they would be selling better.  The wii is obviously superior in some way that matters to more consumes.

Maybe it's because the wii draws less electricity and people are concerned about the electric bill.  That must be the real reason why the wii is winning this generation.

Yeah let the underdogs fight it out alone without the disturbance mention of the Wii winning.

Yes, reality can be hard to ignore when people keep reminding you about it.

Well i think it's good to mention Wii sometimes, because some HD fanboys do forget that their consoles are fighting for 2nd place. Plus such remarks could cool the aggresive debate down

So easy. "Which console will win the HD war this generation?", "Will PS3 be the number one HD console in the future", or just spin something else with HD. Or just state that it's a HD topic only.

Don't ignore Wii or just leave it out because it "ain't" a hardcore console, a "different market" or not a "real" console. I think all consoles have more in common then not, but HD is not one of those and the goals behind the consoles is a bit different.

HD (war) is what Microsoft and Sony set off to do and there is many wars to fight and discuss. Wii ain't in them all.

Nintendo changed the rules, so this makes it fair...

I mean Wii Fit is huge? (Not compared to the exercise equipment market)

I mean Wii Sports is a record breaker? (Not compared to solitaire)

See? When in doubt, expand the market!!!! Wooooot.

well there most wii fans that wont admit it, but there are to many good games on HD consoles to think that someone with only a wii is a hardcore gamer, how can someone not have games like gear1/2, assassin's creed, metal gear, gran turismo,final fantasy 13, etc and call himself hardcore (most hardcore last gen did ok without zelda and mario)???

when i ask people that own a wii why they have one they say "is fun to play bowling when people come by", that is not a hardcore gamer expression (this is not a bad thing), anyway, i do believe that wii is in a different market, the thing is sony and MS have found out there is a lot of money in the market nintendo have created(or discovered) and they want some of it, but that market is so different that when a hardcore gamer sees elements of like the ones on the wii in a hd console they complain, lots of people have complained about the new casual friendly xbox interface, and many hardcore didn't like LBP because it looked casual. The thing is hardcore gamers are rejecting things that are considered casual this may put the company in a position where they have to decide, if go the nintendo way or not.

At the end if you have a ps3 or 360 you may buy a wii (or the other way around) but i you have one hd console the probabilities of you getting another hd console is very low, that to me proof that ps3 and 360 satisfy different markets than the wii does, we can call that market what ever we want, casual , half hardcore, hybrid but not hardcore (i believe a hardcore gamer wants immersion even if he plays 15 minutes, a casual games is happy just by been entertained even if that means playing 4 hours i a row).