Or people over 30 years old, or who don't have a HDTV, or who don't have a said HDTV over 40 inches, and who don't know much about electronics, computers, or television, making up about 96 percent of the population.

It certainly is no contest to me, but I'm smart, with great vision, and I know what I'm looking at. I've also spent thousands of dollars to ensure that I have the best picture possible.

To be honest, compared to the epic VHS-DVD upgrade...Blu-Ray is a crap update, and I'd love to see anyone argue against that, without sounding like a shill.

How many of you Xbots that keep chiming in on this thread with the opinion that there is no noticeable difference between Blu-Ray and upscaled DVD, then turn around and post in another thread making fun of the last-gen, 480P graphics of the Wii, that the HDTV upscales to its native resolution before display?

Im pretty sure its not just the resolution they are talking about, 720P vs 480P is just an easy way of saying it.

I invite you to witness jagged edge forest #3 for the Wii upscaled for extra juicy jaggies on a 53" Screen.\

Not that I normally reply to trolls, but:

I tend to find its the PS3 fanboys that keep saying the blu-ray is awesome, while the rest of the population doesn't really care.

Now I love the extra quality that blu-ray offers, but ZenfoldorVGI is dead on the money.

Plain and simple, blu-ray is not worth the upgrade for most people. DVD offered numerous advantages over VHS, where the only advantage blu-ray offers over dvd is higher resolution which many people can't see the difference, and better audio which most people can't hear the difference. And lets face it, higher resolution doesn't even add anything to 95% of the movies anyway.

Do you have an HDTV? Because anyone who can't see the difference between Blu-ray and upscaled DVD on a proper HD setup is either blind, an idiot or lying... or all three.

It looks better, it sounds better, but 95% of 360 fanboys can't tell the difference.

I think we found the real troll right here. Go tell your little stories to all of the home theater nuts who don't give a damn about video game systems that Blu-ray isn't worth the upgrade over DVD. You'll be laughed out of the room. Hell, even my tech-clueless parents have fallen in love with Blu-ray. Pretty much anyone who sees Blu-ray on a decent HDTV is blown away by it, which might explain why it's being adopted faster than DVD was.

It seems that pretty much everyone who is either claiming that Blu-ray doesn't offer much or that go out of their way to prognosticate doom for the format are either bitter HD-DVD owners or fanboys of the Xbox 360 who don't like it because Sony is involved. It's all FUD.

The reality is the world is going HD. TV stations have gone HD, Gaming is going HD, home movies are going HD. Pragmatically, in the home movie space there is 2 possible ways to see HD. Download/streaming on demand or the physical media known as BD.

Timewarp back 2-3 years. HD ignorance was extremely high. HD TV's were still predominately 1080i CRT's, HD transmissions on free to air were hardly mandatory. The physical media war was about to begin and the first "HD" consoles were upon us.

The PS3 came to market too early to be used as a HD media centre. Heck, the uncertainty with BD winning over HD DVD was enough to put the educated HD person right off. We know the history behind the HD media war and why PS3 has BD.

Now the physical war has been decided. HD Ignorance is still high but as necessity bites, HD will become more relevant. 1080p TV's are now a standard rather than an option (almost) and HD is "leaking" into the general ignorant population. People are becoming more HD aware.

It's a question of when, not if. Hollywood will dump DVD as soon as they can collectively give it the big A and the big boot because one of the huge drivers behind the new formats (BD and HD DVD) was that the DVD market was saturated and the DVD market was becoming margin squeezed on profit. Hollywood have it their power to "kill" DVD tomorrow if they so wished. DVD is at the mercy of content provision just as much as BD and when BD hits a critical mass then DVD will drop off because Hollywood gets more margin on it.

WE can now debate BD vs Downloading. Downloading HD is predominately 720p with archaic audio (often stereo). It is a falsehood HD. But hey, it might be enough to keep Joe Ignorant HD Blow, happy. That, I can't predict.

Personally I only started getting BD over DVD. Put it this way, unless it is some crap movie that might be just for the kids, some low end comedy, then from now on I will always get the BD version. It is that much better but then again, I am not HD ignorant.

My mother is 65yo. I showed her a 1080p HD movie and even she, in all her uneducated HD glory, was awed by the clarity. If she can tell on a good source, so can most.

To finish, when HD first came out I went to have a look at a local store for a demo running. I quickly pointed out to the salesman that their demo was not HD. He said the TV and the channel it was set to was HD. I told him the TV was HD and the channel was HD but the demonstration was NOT HD because the idiot had a composite RCA video cable running from the external HD tuner to the HD TV. You cannot carry a HD signal over composite video. Ignorance is a funny thing!.

Ahh yes, ZenfoldVGI and myself, who have both said we love the extra quality of bluray and have spend large amount of money on our systems to enjoy it are out spreding FUD about because we are bitter fanboys.

Makes perfect sense.