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darthdevidem01 said:
Its funny how people keep saying "western reviewers give BAD reviews to JRPG/SRPG's" (IU, TOV, TLR) yet then Valkyria Chornicles n PErsona 4 manage to get brilliant reviews....

 

They give traditional jrpgs bad scores. Games we've seen a million times, and they have nothing new, but they've refined the old.

Both VC and P4 have some innovation and a fair bit of hype going into them, so they're looked at harder.

IGN gave Disgaea 3 a 6.7 out of 10.

The truth of the matter is that ToV and D3, along with the equally poor reviewed Radiant Dawn have been 3 of my favorite games this generation. Everyone who plays those games, love them. They are a traditional experience that many of us crave, and they are very well done.

Reviewers don't like traditional experiences. They've played those games a million times.

It's not that ToV is a bad game in reviewers eyes(most of them raved about it), it's just that the ideology around the game is different.

Instead of creating a new game, it rerolls an old game, and updates a few things. ToV is a very similar game to the equally excellent ToS, with upgraded graphics, different story and characters, and similar battle engine. The game is still excellent, it's just redundant.

In other words, the games are judged by being too similar to games before them. If Persona 3 and ToV(I've fully enjoyed both) were the only 2 jrpgs that ever existed, I'd be willing to bet that ToV would probably score higher and be enjoyed more.

The thing is, there have been a million similar games to ToV, that came before it. There have been relatively very few games similar to Persona 3 that came before it.

 

It's why we dont' give madden 10 every year, even though it improves. We're not reviewing games on their own merits, we're reviewing games based on our complete knowledge of the industry and that includes similar games that came before it.

Gears 2 would be the best shooter ever if Gears 1 didn't exist, because we shouldn't have been eased into excellence, we would have had it thrown on us all at once.

 

In that vein, games that are completely new and innovative are often over-rated for those same reasons. LBP was a fun game, but it certainly wasn't better than MGS4. Reviewers, however, had seen Metal Gear before. They'd never seen anything like LBP.

The exceptions to this rule tend to be very hyped games, which don't follow that logic. Halo 3, for instance, was only marginally better than Halo 3, and worse than Halo 1. However, it scored higher because of hype, and is a stain on review scores in most eyes. We criticize Famitsu for scoring games for fans, but we score games for hype, which is worse.



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if Hype is the reasoning behind Persona and VC then I don't see why IU and TLR did so badly, both those games had hype and were actually advertised on TV, something you won't see from VC or Persona.

I think you are basing hype off of these forums, which is unfair. Yes those games are huge on these forums, but wasn't TLR and IU huge for 360 people? If internet hype was all it took than I don't see why these two were lambasted. TLR even tried to innovate if I remember correctly.

Did you ever think that maybe VC and Persona were seen as more hyped because RPG fans can see a good game coming? Maybe these games are just better than others.



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Torillian said:
if Hype is the reasoning behind Persona and VC then I don't see why IU and TLR did so badly, both those games had hype and were actually advertised on TV, something you won't see from VC or Persona.

I think you are basing hype off of these forums, which is unfair. Yes those games are huge on these forums, but wasn't TLR and IU huge for 360 people? If internet hype was all it took than I don't see why these two were lambasted. TLR even tried to innovate if I remember correctly.

Did you ever think that maybe VC and Persona were seen as more hyped because RPG fans can see a good game coming? Maybe these games are just better than others.

 

 You win. :)



Mirson said:
zexen_lowe said:
Pristine20 said:
Mirson said:
I added two more reviews there. Can't wait for next week. Stupid final exams will get in my way.

 

Yeah, I gotta finish my finals first too lol.

Heh, I hope I pass my exam next Friday, that way it'll be a careless Persona 4-filled Summer...else I'll have to do another in the middle of December, that sucks

 

Alright, I added the two other scores. Guess this will be the official P4 review thread. VGC needs a title editor. The good thing is that my hardest final exam will be on Monday, so I won't be distracted by the game. Easiest and last is on Wednesday. Yeah! I still need to beat Persona 2.

 

 let me join, I also have those bloody Finals. after that is over, it's all Persona love.



Torillian said:
if Hype is the reasoning behind Persona and VC then I don't see why IU and TLR did so badly, both those games had hype and were actually advertised on TV, something you won't see from VC or Persona.

I think you are basing hype off of these forums, which is unfair. Yes those games are huge on these forums, but wasn't TLR and IU huge for 360 people? If internet hype was all it took than I don't see why these two were lambasted. TLR even tried to innovate if I remember correctly.

Did you ever think that maybe VC and Persona were seen as more hyped because RPG fans can see a good game coming? Maybe these games are just better than others.

 

This +10 :)

 



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Mirson said:
Pristine20 said:
Mirson said:
zexen_lowe said:

Heh, I hope I pass my exam next Friday, that way it'll be a careless Persona 4-filled Summer...else I'll have to do another in the middle of December, that sucks

 

Alright, I added the two other scores. Guess this will be the official P4 review thread. VGC needs a title editor. The good thing is that my hardest final exam will be on Monday, so I won't be distracted by the game. Easiest and last is on Wednesday. Yeah! I still need to beat Persona 2.

I need to play Persona and Persona 2. Unfortunately, they don't come cheap!

 

Ah, did you miss the reprint for Persona 2?

@zexen, this thread is alright. I can't wait for the Gamespot and IGN review. Edit: Nevermind, guess I'll create it.

I got it for $35 new! It looks so nice and I love that I can sell it over 5x the price I bought it.



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outlawauron said:
Mirson said:
Pristine20 said:
Mirson said:
zexen_lowe said:

Heh, I hope I pass my exam next Friday, that way it'll be a careless Persona 4-filled Summer...else I'll have to do another in the middle of December, that sucks

 

Alright, I added the two other scores. Guess this will be the official P4 review thread. VGC needs a title editor. The good thing is that my hardest final exam will be on Monday, so I won't be distracted by the game. Easiest and last is on Wednesday. Yeah! I still need to beat Persona 2.

I need to play Persona and Persona 2. Unfortunately, they don't come cheap!

 

Ah, did you miss the reprint for Persona 2?

@zexen, this thread is alright. I can't wait for the Gamespot and IGN review. Edit: Nevermind, guess I'll create it.

I got it for $35 new! It looks so nice and I love that I can sell it over 5x the price I bought it.

where?

 



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Mirson said:
Pristine20 said:
Mirson said:
zexen_lowe said:

Heh, I hope I pass my exam next Friday, that way it'll be a careless Persona 4-filled Summer...else I'll have to do another in the middle of December, that sucks

 

Alright, I added the two other scores. Guess this will be the official P4 review thread. VGC needs a title editor. The good thing is that my hardest final exam will be on Monday, so I won't be distracted by the game. Easiest and last is on Wednesday. Yeah! I still need to beat Persona 2.

I need to play Persona and Persona 2. Unfortunately, they don't come cheap!

 

Ah, did you miss the reprint for Persona 2?

@zexen, this thread is alright. I can't wait for the Gamespot and IGN review. Edit: Nevermind, guess I'll create it.

Yeah I did, unfortunately.

 



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

NYANKS said:
Torillian said:
if Hype is the reasoning behind Persona and VC then I don't see why IU and TLR did so badly, both those games had hype and were actually advertised on TV, something you won't see from VC or Persona.

I think you are basing hype off of these forums, which is unfair. Yes those games are huge on these forums, but wasn't TLR and IU huge for 360 people? If internet hype was all it took than I don't see why these two were lambasted. TLR even tried to innovate if I remember correctly.

Did you ever think that maybe VC and Persona were seen as more hyped because RPG fans can see a good game coming? Maybe these games are just better than others.

 

You win. :)

@Torillian

The reviews are affected to some extent by hype but the reviewers also they flaws and technical issues into account and unforunately, both IU and TLR had both flaws and technical issues.  Also, IU and TLR didn't get much hype.

 



Pristine20 said:
outlawauron said:
Mirson said:
Pristine20 said:

I need to play Persona and Persona 2. Unfortunately, they don't come cheap!

 

Ah, did you miss the reprint for Persona 2?

@zexen, this thread is alright. I can't wait for the Gamespot and IGN review. Edit: Nevermind, guess I'll create it.

I got it for $35 new! It looks so nice and I love that I can sell it over 5x the price I bought it.

where?

 

Amazon.com Atlus send an e-mail to everyone who has signed up to Atlus Faithful. They sold out in about an hour or so.