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Ah, the port machine PS3.  It's easy to justify not porting over a $10-20 M HD game.  Porting a nex-gen game isn't as easy as emulating an SNES game.  If the original game cost $10-20 M than a port to a different system AT LEAST costs $3-5 M.  Which Coicidentally is the same price for a very good Wii title.  So do you lock up your team porting a 360 game to the PS3 for 200,000 more sales which may compete with the Xbox 360 release (dual console owners).  Or do you spend it producing a Wii game that will likely sell a boatload more copies.  Every developer has limited resources. 

I couldn't find the numbers but I thought the NCAA football series sold 300-400 k on the gamecube.  As a PS2 port it seems like a no brainer to bring the game over.  The gamecube is easy to port to and could easily handle PS2 like graphics.  But EA chose not to.  Are the stupid (maybe :) ) or do they realize that they could get a bigger return having those individuals work on different projects.  It's not all about breaking even (although you wouldn't know it by the way Microsoft and Sony play the game).  It's about maximizing returns.  It still doesn't answer my question.  What game would sell best on the PS3 over 360 and Wii?



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finalsquall said:
Why worry? Ps3 is on track! 4 mil in what 7months is not that bad. Only thing that makes the sales look bad is the phenomenal sales of the Wii. Other than that, I'd say the PS3 is doing well.

Take a look at the following chart - a close look. Pay special atention to the caption that describes what each color represents. Then, consider re-evaluating your stance on this issue.

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=PS3&reg1=Japan&cons2=PS3&reg2=All&cons3=PS2&reg3=Japan&align=1



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KruzeS said:
finalsquall said:
Why worry? Ps3 is on track! 4 mil in what 7months is not that bad. Only thing that makes the sales look bad is the phenomenal sales of the Wii. Other than that, I'd say the PS3 is doing well.

Take a look at the following chart - a close look. Pay special atention to the caption that describes what each color represents. Then, consider re-evaluating your stance on this issue.

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=PS3®1=Japan&cons2=PS3®2=All&cons3=PS2®3=Japan&align=1

No look at this chart, green is ps3

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=PS2&reg1=All&cons2=X360&reg2=All&cons3=PS3&reg3=All&align=1

 



 

mM

This has been said four trillion times: the PS2 information is missing the European data, Leo. Which means the PS3 is slightly undertracking the 360, and significantly undertracking the PS2, which only has two regions worth of data to cull from.

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=PS2&reg1=Total+Other&cons2=PS2&reg2=Total+Other&cons3=PS2&reg3=Total+Other&align=1

See how there is no graph for "PS2 total other?" That's because there is no data for that region and console! In effect, the PS3 is undertracking the PS2, even though the PS2 data includes the entire world and the PS3 data is JUST America and Japan. Look at the two graphs that are available:

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=PS2&reg1=America&cons2=PS2&reg2=America&cons3=PS3&reg3=America&align=1

The PS2 had about 3.5 million systems sold in the US at this stage in its life, while the PS3 has about 1.75 million. The PS3 is selling about 50 percent as quickly in the US.

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=PS2&reg1=America&cons2=PS2&reg2=America&cons3=PS3&reg3=America&align=1

In Japan, the PS2 had about 3.2 million consoles sold at this point, while the PS3 has 1.1 million. It's tracking at approximately 33 percent the speed of the PS2 at this point its lifespan.

Those figures are cause for concern. 



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Note: "PS2 All" on that chart = "PS2 America + Japan". Others data is missing. The PS2 was outperforming the PS3 at this point in its lifespan, and the PS2 is an active competitor for the PS3 now.

 EDIT: Bodhesatva beat me to it.



PS3: 5.51m/51w, avg 108,039/w (up 239)
360: 12.93m/102w, avg 126,764/w (up 625), leads PS3 by 7.42m (up 70k), avg lead 18,725/w (up 386)
Wii: 13.52m/51w, avg 265,098/w (dn 1,102), leads PS3 by 8.01m (up 90k), avg lead 157,059/w (dn 1,341)

If 360 sales stabilize, PS3 sales increases needed to pass 360 by...
01/08: (008w) +875.8%, 04/08: (021w) +344.4%, 07/08: (034w) +219.3%, 10/08: (047w) +163.5%
01/09: (060w) +131.8%, 04/09: (073w) +111.4%, 07/09: (085w) +098.1%, 10/09: (099w) +086.7%
If Wii sales stabilize, PS3 sales increases needed to pass Wii by...
01/08: (008w) +1072.%, 04/08: (021w) +498.4%, 07/08: (034w) +363.4%, 10/08: (047w) +303.1%
01/09: (060w) +269.0%, 04/09: (073w) +246.9%, 07/09: (085w) +232.6%, 10/09: (099w) +220.3%
If PS2 sales freeze, Wii sales increases needed to pass PS2 (as of Mar07, 108.4m) by...
2008: (008w) +4373.8%, 2009: (060w) +0496.5%, 2010: (112w) +0219.6%, 2011: (165w) +0116.9%
2012: (217w) +0064.9%, 2013: (269w) +0033.1%, 2014: (321w) +0011.5%, 2015: (376w) -0004.8%
At +0% it will pass it in 358w, the week ending September 19th, 2014, at an age of 409w (7y44w).
Current age of PS2: 7y37w.

Last update: Week ending November 3, 2007

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Bodhesatva said:

This has been said four trillion times: the PS2 information is missing the European data, Leo. Which means the PS3 is slightly undertracking the 360, and significantly undertracking the PS2, which only has two regions worth of data to cull from.

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=PS2®1=Total+Other&cons2=PS2®2=Total+Other&cons3=PS2®3=Total+Other&align=1

See how there is no graph for "PS2 total other?" That's because there is no data for that region and console! In effect, the PS3 is undertracking the PS2, even though the PS2 data includes the entire world and the PS3 data is JUST America and Japan. Look at the two graphs that are available:

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=PS2®1=America&cons2=PS2®2=America&cons3=PS3®3=America&align=1

The PS2 had about 3.5 million systems sold in the US at this stage in its life, while the PS3 has about 1.75 million. The PS3 is selling about 50 percent as quickly in the US.

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=PS2®1=America&cons2=PS2®2=America&cons3=PS3®3=America&align=1

In Japan, the PS2 had about 3.2 million consoles sold at this point, while the PS3 has 1.1 million. It's tracking at approximately 33 percent the speed of the PS2 at this point its lifespan.

Those figures are cause for concern. 


Sorry I didnt know european numbers were missing, but why should sony be concerned? The ps3 is sellling significantly better and has been for the past 5 weeks. Selling a total of 370k units world wide, as opposed to june's 100k WW.



 

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leo-j said:
Bodhesatva said:

This has been said four trillion times: the PS2 information is missing the European data, Leo. Which means the PS3 is slightly undertracking the 360, and significantly undertracking the PS2, which only has two regions worth of data to cull from.

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=PS2®1=Total+Other&cons2=PS2®2=Total+Other&cons3=PS2®3=Total+Other&align=1

See how there is no graph for "PS2 total other?" That's because there is no data for that region and console! In effect, the PS3 is undertracking the PS2, even though the PS2 data includes the entire world and the PS3 data is JUST America and Japan. Look at the two graphs that are available:

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=PS2®1=America&cons2=PS2®2=America&cons3=PS3®3=America&align=1

The PS2 had about 3.5 million systems sold in the US at this stage in its life, while the PS3 has about 1.75 million. The PS3 is selling about 50 percent as quickly in the US.

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=PS2®1=America&cons2=PS2®2=America&cons3=PS3®3=America&align=1

In Japan, the PS2 had about 3.2 million consoles sold at this point, while the PS3 has 1.1 million. It's tracking at approximately 33 percent the speed of the PS2 at this point its lifespan.

Those figures are cause for concern.


Sorry I didnt know european numbers were missing, but why should sony be concerned? The ps3 is sellling significantly better and has been for the past 5 weeks. Selling a total of 370k units world wide, as opposed to june's 100k WW.


We are within 3 weeks of a price drop, raised sales mean nothing.  The PSP had sales go up for it's price drop for a whole month, but now it's tracking lower than it was before the drop.  It's WAY too early to boast increased PS3 sales, especially since we are seeing a steady sales decline week after week.



leo-j said:

No look at this chart, green is ps3

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=PS2&reg1=All&cons2=X360&reg2=All&cons3=PS3&reg3=All&align=1

 

Even if there was no problem with that chart, my chart still shows that it takes the whole world for the PS3 to barely outsell the PS2 in Japan. That's why Sony should be worried - not Doom's Day worried, but worried.

But there are several problems with that chart: besides it totally missing any "Others" data, the PS2 only started selling in North America at around week 30, and was supply constrained everywhere thoughout all that time.

A comparision focusing on North America is also telling:

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=PS3&reg1=America&cons2=PS3&reg2=All&cons3=PS2&reg3=America&align=1

What your chart does show, though, is that less than 10 weeks of North America sales are enough for the PS2 to keep outselling the PS3, even without others data. It also shows a Playstation doing about as good as an Xbox. None of which are things Sony should be proud of, seen as where they are coming from.

My only point is that it's not just the Wii that overshadows everything (specially when those who say that seem to think it won't ever sell more than 50 million units). No matter how high this is setting the bar, the PS3 looks bad when compared to its predecessors (and that's really where the bar should be at anyway). Again, this isn't Doom, but they shouldn't, and aren't really, happy with their performance.



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Legend11 said:

I guess they're just another developer to add to the list that includes Square Enix that are concerned about PS3 sales.  It's anyone's guess if this growing list of third parties will cause the Playstation 3 to lose third party support. 

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=27257

Midway's CEO David Zucker has told GamesIndustry.biz that he's still concerned about sales of the PlayStation 3, but thinks the recently announced USD 100 price cut will certainly help the console in the short term.

"We would not be the only publisher to tell you that we're a little concerned about the take-up of the PS3," said Zucker, in an interview published today.


 

They should be concerned over the increasing piracy of the Wii instead of the PS3 sales.

Example:

Survery conducted and result was 8million ppl played and own the game "XXXX"

Publisher checks their stock and sale..... "err.... we only sold 2 million!"



leo-j said:
Bodhesatva said:

This has been said four trillion times: the PS2 information is missing the European data, Leo. Which means the PS3 is slightly undertracking the 360, and significantly undertracking the PS2, which only has two regions worth of data to cull from.

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=PS2®1=Total+Other&cons2=PS2®2=Total+Other&cons3=PS2®3=Total+Other&align=1

See how there is no graph for "PS2 total other?" That's because there is no data for that region and console! In effect, the PS3 is undertracking the PS2, even though the PS2 data includes the entire world and the PS3 data is JUST America and Japan. Look at the two graphs that are available:

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=PS2®1=America&cons2=PS2®2=America&cons3=PS3®3=America&align=1

The PS2 had about 3.5 million systems sold in the US at this stage in its life, while the PS3 has about 1.75 million. The PS3 is selling about 50 percent as quickly in the US.

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=PS2®1=America&cons2=PS2®2=America&cons3=PS3®3=America&align=1

In Japan, the PS2 had about 3.2 million consoles sold at this point, while the PS3 has 1.1 million. It's tracking at approximately 33 percent the speed of the PS2 at this point its lifespan.

Those figures are cause for concern.


Sorry I didnt know european numbers were missing, but why should sony be concerned? The ps3 is sellling significantly better and has been for the past 5 weeks. Selling a total of 370k units world wide, as opposed to june's 100k WW.


 Because even with the increase in sales, it's still selling less than half as well as the PS2 was.  That's cause to be worried.



PS3: 5.51m/51w, avg 108,039/w (up 239)
360: 12.93m/102w, avg 126,764/w (up 625), leads PS3 by 7.42m (up 70k), avg lead 18,725/w (up 386)
Wii: 13.52m/51w, avg 265,098/w (dn 1,102), leads PS3 by 8.01m (up 90k), avg lead 157,059/w (dn 1,341)

If 360 sales stabilize, PS3 sales increases needed to pass 360 by...
01/08: (008w) +875.8%, 04/08: (021w) +344.4%, 07/08: (034w) +219.3%, 10/08: (047w) +163.5%
01/09: (060w) +131.8%, 04/09: (073w) +111.4%, 07/09: (085w) +098.1%, 10/09: (099w) +086.7%
If Wii sales stabilize, PS3 sales increases needed to pass Wii by...
01/08: (008w) +1072.%, 04/08: (021w) +498.4%, 07/08: (034w) +363.4%, 10/08: (047w) +303.1%
01/09: (060w) +269.0%, 04/09: (073w) +246.9%, 07/09: (085w) +232.6%, 10/09: (099w) +220.3%
If PS2 sales freeze, Wii sales increases needed to pass PS2 (as of Mar07, 108.4m) by...
2008: (008w) +4373.8%, 2009: (060w) +0496.5%, 2010: (112w) +0219.6%, 2011: (165w) +0116.9%
2012: (217w) +0064.9%, 2013: (269w) +0033.1%, 2014: (321w) +0011.5%, 2015: (376w) -0004.8%
At +0% it will pass it in 358w, the week ending September 19th, 2014, at an age of 409w (7y44w).
Current age of PS2: 7y37w.

Last update: Week ending November 3, 2007