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How would Microsoft act as a Monopoly in the gaming console market?

You can already see how different console powers would act as a monopoly because the already have their own monopolies. The platform holders such as Nintendo, Microsoft, Sony all have their own specific monopolies within their respective Wii, DS, PSP, Xbox and Playstation families. Microsoft is unique in that it really has two monopolies at the same level in the HD realm so they give a clearer picture about how they will act.

Direct3d Monopoly.

Microsoft works with AMD, Nvidia and Intel to develop the specifications of direct X whilst working with content providers, giving them what they want in terms of technical help and tools. So this relationship looks like this:

Consumers >< Developers >< Microsoft >< Intel/AMD/Nvidia >< Developers

In effect Microsoft doesn't deal directly with consumers but they help developers and tool manufacturers directly. They are the middleman in this relationship, the facilitator really. >< represents a two way relationship between them. All you have to do is listen to their presentations and see how they act to see how this is true.

Xbox Monopoly.

We have seen time and again how one of Microsofts key goals/strategies is to work directly with developers and publishers and this mirrors their Direct3d Mononopy where they have almost complete power. So its doubtful they will change it if they gained market dominance. They are actually concerned about the performance and success of third parties on their platform.

This relationship is really multi-level, and only Microsoft deals with hardware manufacturers themselves.

So on the top level it looks like this Microsoft >< Hardware manufactures/designers.

The next level looks like this Consumers >< Microsoft >< Developers/Publishers >< Consumers

Because in this relationship they have two distinct set of stake-holders who are the most important. Consumers and Developers/Publishers. So they would in effect develop their hardware around what they percieve the Consumers wish for and they what Developers want in terms of delivering great content that people wish to buy. Obviously even a monopoly has to satisfy its consumers and I doubt that will change. People may hate Windows because its expensive, but they rarely lay the complaint that its useless to their needs.

Complaints about monopolies

The two complaints people make about monopolies are these:

1. The taking of monopolistic rents, aka more than a fair profit.

2. Absolute dominance and control stiffling innovation.

With complaint number 1: Every company from Nintendo to Microsoft is guilty of this, Nintendo is using its monopoly as we speak to garner incredible profits. So this is not a complaint you could lay directly at Microsofts feet to say we want someone else to hold the monopoly more than you.

With complaint number 2: We can see from Microsofts actions where they hold complete power, they also wield it fairly by working with other companies and setting standards rather than dictating. For example in the Direct 3d specification Microsoft holds the chairmans vote: Only used as a tie breaker not to dictate the direction the hardware moves.

Should you be afraid of a monopoly?

There are reasons to be distrustful and there are reasons why its best one standard is held. Look at the Blu Ray/DVD monopolies. The companies involved set the standard, they reap the profits but everyone benifits in the end from consumers, to movie studios to retailers. One could argue that the benifits of a monopoly in certain industries justifies the "economic rent" or monopolistic profits taken by one company. In the games industry, having a single dominant platform simplifies the industry and the consumers benifit in the end as much as the platform holder. Many people said that the PS1/PS2 days had some of the best games and this has a lot to do with the unification of the platform.

So should you be afraid of a Microsoft monopoly? No, not unless a Nintendo or Sony monopoly terrifies you as well. Microsoft has proved that they can work with developers and consumers and even under their power they still allow innovation to thrive.



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I don't really understand this thread at all. Why are you calling out Microsoft and it's fans about a console monopoly when Nintendo are the ones rolling towards, and soon to trample past, a 50% market share in a three player race. Every single week MS loses a little bit more to Nintendo, after the holidays, there's no doubt they'll be well below 30% overall. So.... I'm not getting your questi......

Oh, I get it now. Tell me if I have this right:

"Just wait till the PS3 releases, it's gonna crush the 360"...(didn't happen)
"Just wait till the good games come out, it's gonna crush the 360"...(didn't happen)
"Just wait till next year, it's gonna crush the 360...(didn't happen)
"Just wait till home comes out, it's gonna crush the 360...(hasn't happened)
"Just wait for another year, it's gonna crush the 360...(didn't happen)

I think what we have here is a resentful and strategic change in PS3 fanboy trolling tactics..

to wit: "Great job not supporting the PS3 guys, hope your happy when Microsoft ruins the console industry after beating out my beloved Playstation for a distant....very distant.... second place."

Seriously, could you have disguised that any worse. They're both getting crushed by the Wii, and yet rediculously, you claim that Microsoft is steadily marching towards complete domination.

Give it a rest already. It honestly doesn't matter who wins, except us... and right now, that's how this war is going. Why would you want that any different?



Picko said:
FinalEvangelion said:

Do you want to see MS have the same kind of monopoly over the gaming industry that they do with Windows and Office applications?

 

 

Anyone who answers yes to this is too stupid to have their opinions taken seriously. However, this goes for all firms - it's one of the reasons I roll my eyes when I see people getting really happy about "Nintendomination".

Was the PS2 era so bad?

So long as there isn't just one console on the market everythings all good.

Game companies still need to compete against each other anyway.

Well actually even if MS did have a monopoly.  It's not like that's working out bad for PC gaming.

 



drizzlenuts said:

Sony and nintendo dont deserve to make consoles.This gen they both tried to steal from the consumer.

Atleast microsoft offered something this gen that was worth the purchase.

Nintendo treating its wii like the ipod and throwing crap games at consumers.

Sony pushing a movie format and launching a console at a insane price.

Microsoft had rrod issues but atleast they offered a free 3 year warrenty.

Im sorry but i would be glad if sony was gone out the console industry and if sega was still around i would be very happy. my ps3 broke tonight and im a little upset :(

 

WTF???

Who are you to say what company deserves to do/make what???

Did they break into your house and take your money?? Did they put a gun to your head and force you to buy their system???

Define the phraze "Worth the purchase". Because I'm quite happy with my PS3, and am sure you can find quite a few people on this site that are quite happy with their Wii's.

Games that you dislike can be enjoyed by someone esle can't they??? And since when was the iPod mainly bought for games like the Wii is???

SONY pushing BD for movies AND GAMES is a bad thing??? It's only helping the format in the future, shit it beat it's competition thanks to the PS3 didn't it??? And for it's price tag that thing sold and still sells well. Check the sales for other systems that have launched for 500+ dollars in the past and compare those to PS3 sales..... Oh, and once again they don't FORCE YOU to buy it...

Yes...... After the damn mess got far to out of hand and it was making the product look pretty damn bad the give the consumers a 3 year warranty...... PS3 and Wii never had an issue as Epic as the RROD, and am not sure about the Wii but My PS3 came with a free 1 year warranty......



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Uninformed OP is uninformed, news at eleven.

Let's start with one of your misunderstatements: you do not support these companies, it is in their best interest to support you. It's not who you are voting for, is who is trying the most to get your vote.





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Alright guys, I've recently been thinking a lot about Microsoft and how it's been hurting the industry.

I reported it to my local TV station and they ran this story, which luckily I was able to capture on a home video camera:

Yes, ladies and gentlemen. Microsoft is the Super Devil.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

Dgc1808 said:
drizzlenuts said:

Sony and nintendo dont deserve to make consoles.This gen they both tried to steal from the consumer.

Atleast microsoft offered something this gen that was worth the purchase.

Nintendo treating its wii like the ipod and throwing crap games at consumers.

Sony pushing a movie format and launching a console at a insane price.

Microsoft had rrod issues but atleast they offered a free 3 year warrenty.

Im sorry but i would be glad if sony was gone out the console industry and if sega was still around i would be very happy. my ps3 broke tonight and im a little upset :(

 

WTF???

Who are you to say what company deserves to do/make what???

Did they break into your house and take your money?? Did they put a gun to your head and force you to buy their system???

Define the phraze "Worth the purchase". Because I'm quite happy with my PS3, and am sure you can find quite a few people on this site that are quite happy with their Wii's.

Games that you dislike can be enjoyed by someone esle can't they??? And since when was the iPod mainly bought for games like the Wii is???

SONY pushing BD for movies AND GAMES is a bad thing??? It's only helping the format in the future, shit it beat it's competition thanks to the PS3 didn't it??? And for it's price tag that thing sold and still sells well. Check the sales for other systems that have launched for 500+ dollars in the past and compare those to PS3 sales..... Oh, and once again they don't FORCE YOU to buy it...

Yes...... After the damn mess got far to out of hand and it was making the product look pretty damn bad the give the consumers a 3 year warranty...... PS3 and Wii never had an issue as Epic as the RROD, and am not sure about the Wii but My PS3 came with a free 1 year warranty......

 

I would have taken a 200 dollar ps3 no bluray no wireless because i refuse to use wifi for gaming and a library as good as the 360's and with dual shock from the start and a better online service.

 

I got screwed my ps3 just broke today.I hardly played it and i was told they wont fix it for free unless i "purchased a warrenty" because its 2 motnhs over a year old.

 

I had hddvd and i prefered hddvd the quality was better from the get go.Sony did steal they stole my right to use the format that i found best.Because they put bluray in ps3 it forced studios to look at ps3 purchases as potential bluray movie supporters thus killing hddvd.

 

Microsoft gave me a choice sony didnt period.

 

Now im putting this hunk of crap on craigslist because im not paying to fix a flawed console.I took great care of it hardly used it kept it dust ands smoke free and all.

 

 



drizzlenuts said:
Dgc1808 said:
drizzlenuts said:

Sony and nintendo dont deserve to make consoles.This gen they both tried to steal from the consumer.

Atleast microsoft offered something this gen that was worth the purchase.

Nintendo treating its wii like the ipod and throwing crap games at consumers.

Sony pushing a movie format and launching a console at a insane price.

Microsoft had rrod issues but atleast they offered a free 3 year warrenty.

Im sorry but i would be glad if sony was gone out the console industry and if sega was still around i would be very happy. my ps3 broke tonight and im a little upset :(

 

WTF???

Who are you to say what company deserves to do/make what???

Did they break into your house and take your money?? Did they put a gun to your head and force you to buy their system???

Define the phraze "Worth the purchase". Because I'm quite happy with my PS3, and am sure you can find quite a few people on this site that are quite happy with their Wii's.

Games that you dislike can be enjoyed by someone esle can't they??? And since when was the iPod mainly bought for games like the Wii is???

SONY pushing BD for movies AND GAMES is a bad thing??? It's only helping the format in the future, shit it beat it's competition thanks to the PS3 didn't it??? And for it's price tag that thing sold and still sells well. Check the sales for other systems that have launched for 500+ dollars in the past and compare those to PS3 sales..... Oh, and once again they don't FORCE YOU to buy it...

Yes...... After the damn mess got far to out of hand and it was making the product look pretty damn bad the give the consumers a 3 year warranty...... PS3 and Wii never had an issue as Epic as the RROD, and am not sure about the Wii but My PS3 came with a free 1 year warranty......

 

I would have taken a 200 dollar ps3 no bluray no wireless because i refuse to use wifi for gaming and a library as good as the 360's and with dual shock from the start and a better online service.

 

I got screwed my ps3 just broke today.I hardly played it and i was told they wont fix it for free unless i "purchased a warrenty" because its 2 motnhs over a year old.

 

I had hddvd and i prefered hddvd the quality was better from the get go.Sony did steal they stole my right to use the format that i found best.Because they put bluray in ps3 it forced studios to look at ps3 purchases as potential bluray movie supporters thus killing hddvd.

 

Microsoft gave me a choice sony didnt period.

 

Now im putting this hunk of crap on craigslist because im not paying to fix a flawed console.I took great care of it hardly used it kept it dust ands smoke free and all.

 

 

They fixed mine for free out of warranty because im a cool and lovely 60 gb early adopter. They earnt my loyalty and they repaid it in kind.

 



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Seraphic_Sixaxis said:
msnolp said:
As long as 360 can bash ps3 flat !!!

 

Really now, how do guys like this not get noticed and reported around here? >_>

 

OMG Sixaxis, thank you bro, all this individual does is troll.

OT though, I personally would like for Sega to return, but Nintendo and Sony remain. I've never really liked a lot of M$ business decisions, though I don't want to just see them fail, that I would wish upon no company. M$ has still supplied me with 100 Xbox Live buddies and Gears of War as well, no way in the world I want to give those up!!!



                                                                                                                                            

This post is ridiculous. Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly in the OS business, the office business, or the gaming business. Especially not these days with so many viable competitors.

Get over yourself. The MS monopoly whining got old about 10 years ago.