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Kantor on 25 November 2008
Cidien said:

Oh noes.  Evil ol' M$ is going to ruin gaming just like everything else!  Fact is, M$ has a monopoly on many of those things because nobody else puts out a decent alterntive.  People will probably continue putting out something to try to compete in the gaming world.  And if they don't?  Oh well.  Saves me money.  Now I only need to buy one system instead of two.  If M$ ever charges too much or provides a poor product then someone else will step in to compete with them.  The end.

If one company has enough of a domination, they can release almost anything and still remain the dominant company.

Look at Vista. At launch, it was a mess. They've fixed it, and people use it. Most people who don't use it use XP.

Gaming might be different though. Sony was dominant for two generations, the PS3 was "Vista", I suppose, started bad and got a lot better, and to be fair it did go into second (weekly sales) for quite a while, although the price eventually lowered sales again.

And look how many people still use the PS2.

 



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vlad321 on 25 November 2008

Not that I'm pro-MS however, do you realize that Bill Gates single handedly brought to world to where it is right now? He put a computer in everyone's house for an affordable price. Without him the world would have been a far darker place. He licensed Windows to any hardware developer that wanted it so we could get a cheap computer, instead of Apple's bullshit (which they STILL do even in modern times) where their OSes could only go on their overpriced hardware.

If you want to spill hate that's fine by me, but be at least somewhat respectful of what they have managed to achieve. We wouldn't be here right now if it wasn't for Microsoft and Bill Gates, something absolutely no other company has come even close to matching and I doubt many will in the future.



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FinalEvangelion on 25 November 2008
Kantor said:
Cidien said:

Oh noes.  Evil ol' M$ is going to ruin gaming just like everything else!  Fact is, M$ has a monopoly on many of those things because nobody else puts out a decent alterntive.  People will probably continue putting out something to try to compete in the gaming world.  And if they don't?  Oh well.  Saves me money.  Now I only need to buy one system instead of two.  If M$ ever charges too much or provides a poor product then someone else will step in to compete with them.  The end.

If one company has enough of a domination, they can release almost anything and still remain the dominant company.

Look at Vista. At launch, it was a mess. They've fixed it, and people use it. Most people who don't use it use XP.

Gaming might be different though. Sony was dominant for two generations, the PS3 was "Vista", I suppose, started bad and got a lot better, and to be fair it did go into second (weekly sales) for quite a while, although the price eventually lowered sales again.

And look how many people still use the PS2.

 

 

Yeah, I've always thought Vista and PS3 were similar in terms of public reception.  My Vista now works better than my XP ever did, although there are many people that won't go for Vista because of hearsay.  Same with the PS3.  Some still consider it the "no games" console, even though it has quite a decent line-up now.  On the other side of the coin, the 360 is still the "RROD" console, even thought that's mostly fixed.  I've never been much into Gears and Halo, so PS3 has more exclusives that I enjoy.  As far as 360 exclusives go, I love Tales of Vesperia and Fable 2 and I'm hoping SO4 will provide a similar experience.



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Seraphic_Sixaxis on 25 November 2008

Well said FinalEvangelion, this is why i in my opinion, want no one company to fail NOR rayne king over the others in ALL aspects, the more they fight with each other, the more great games and so forth we get.

End result we win, and they keep chasing the dollar ball.



CAL4M1TY on 25 November 2008

The reason I back MS alot of the time is that there is no chance in hell it'll ever monopolise this industry, Nintendo would be dead if it did (and I just don't see that happening). But at the same time, all these Nintendo and Sony (in particular) fanboys jump at it and shut it down the second the company and console do something good as if to say competition is bad.

The real question is, to all the MS haters, would you really want a 2 horse race?



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scottie on 25 November 2008

no, i want sega back!!

or apple, id be interested to see what they do



joshin69 on 25 November 2008

scottie
Isnt buying a mac also putting money into the hands of MS due to the fact that MS have a large stake in Apple?



 

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gebx on 25 November 2008
FinalEvangelion said:

Do you want to see MS have the same kind of monopoly over the gaming industry that they do with Windows and Office applications?

 

I give credit to the fact that MS has really taken alot of Sony's thunder in terms of being the undisputed king they were in the PS1 and PS2 generation.  MS's direct measure of success, as they have stated many times, is the failure of Sony.  Why?  Because they want to have the same control over the living room as they do in the office.  They saw Sony as being their biggest enemy.

 

With Windows and Office, we as consumers and small businesses have to pay a huge premium over market price because it's really the only viable option.  You can argue that Apple is there, but that has limitations.  Apple really had a window of opportunity to level the playing field when Vista was released, but they wanted to keep their image as a high class setup, rather than get greater marketshare.  Heck, now Apples are equipped with a similar x86 platform that IBM/PC compatibles are.

 

In the gaming industry, there are alternatives.  The most direct alternative is the PS3, which outsold the Xbox 360 for all of 2008 until the price was dropped.  A combination of brand image, percieved value (BD and free online), and reliability statistics (for PS3) helped that case.  Because of that, MS lowered their price to a more consumer-friendly price and fixed their overheating issues, since we haven't heard any widespread RROD cases beginning with the Falcon revision.  Isolated cases will always happen, just like the PS3 and Wii. 

 

At the beginning of this gen, Sony really thought they were in the monopoly position so they thought releasing a $600 system when they weren't completely ready to release software was going to be ok with both consumers and developers.  Obviously, other alternatives were available, and both consumers and devs have seeked other alternatives.

 

What I'm really concerned about, and why I've always been reluctant to support Xbox (I bought one for my jRPGs), is that once MS gets into the monopoly position, they really know how to keep it going and we consumers have to bear the grunt.

 

For me as a GAMER, this generation has been one of the best ones since SNES/Genesis for the same reasons.  There are two companies that have to duke it out each other by constantly 1-upping their offerings.  Sony has offered some of the best gaming experiences I've had since I was a kid with the likes of MGS4, Valkyria, and Little Big Planet.  On the same token, MS has made it possible to get some really good jRPGs that they probably had to give some financial incentive to the devs because HD consoles are too risky for most jRPG developments outside of big titles like FF that cater to a small fanbase.

 

In the end, we want the competition so the benefits are passed on to us - the gamer.

 

I'm gonna go out and say it..

You think a Sony monopoly is somehow better then an MS' monopoly... well guess what - its not...

You're whole post screams DESPERATION!  It's fanboy dribble praising Sony, while asking 360 fanboys to suppost Sony just to stop MS from gaining a monopoly.

This should be a question asked to all fanboys not just 360 fanboys.

Would you want Sony or Nintendo or MS to have a monopoly in the gaming industry?

The answer from 98% of people would be NO



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Euphoria14 on 25 November 2008

I do not want to see anyone fail. Was has already been stated in this thread and holds very true is that competition rewards us as gamers and at an amazing rate, just take a look at what we were given in just 3 years of this generation. If things continue the way they are and we continue to have a 3 way race things look very bright for the gaming industry.

I would just prefer MS stop wasting their money buying up 3rd party timed exclusivity and start producing more in house games. Use that money wiser and grab another 1st party dev or two. They have the ability to do things Sega could not and it is about time they start acting smarter with their money, in my opinion anyways.



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EaglesEye379 on 25 November 2008

Interesting question because Sony had a monopoly in the last 2 generations and they were brilliant generations in terms of gaming for me - and it didnt really decrease the quality of the games from the competition too drastically in my opinion.

I dont really care who has a monopoly or whether there is one, as long as the quality games keep coming, and if MS continues the way they have been then its great for me. MS is a software/PC company through and through and they have transferred their values into the games market. So even though they have 70% share in total game industry revenue, I dont think they will rest in their laurels in regards to software/online ventures.

Sony just had a hiccup when they took their eye off the main thing - the games - in their initial vision for the PS3.

I doubt any company will have a monopoly this generation though as the industry/consumers are growing rapidly.