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superchunk said:
I wonder if 360 is profitable with all these discounts. Probably is.

Manufacturing costs are around $250 for an XBox360. You do the math..

 



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drkohler said:
superchunk said:
I wonder if 360 is profitable with all these discounts. Probably is.

Manufacturing costs are around $250 for an XBox360. You do the math..

 

I'd love to see where you came up with $250 from.

 



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

depending on what store you go to in canada the 360 60GB is normally cheaper.(the wii has an ...interesting... price variance from store to store)



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there are those 360 bundles, with "Kung fu panda", and "Lego Batman(?)", for 239 euro´s. (i dont know if you americans or japanese guys haven them too.) many Onlineshops are selling the 360´s with 60gb for only 199~ (wii - 249), because they sell the bundlecopies seperatly, with more profit :)

look at this shop for example:

http://spielegrotte.de/index.php?kat=100078&anr=42912

i think its now the best time to buy a 360 really cheap.



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Canadian deal at dell with GoW2, Kung fu panda and Lego indianna john's for 299$, here's the link. Basically you get Gears2 more for free.

http://accessories.dell.com/sna/products/Xbox_360/productdetail.aspx?c=ca&l=en&cs=cadhs1&sku=A2200325



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these are some crazy deals, Microsoft is being extremely competitive. You have to hand it to them for outselling the PS3 by 100k this week.



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mrstickball said:
drkohler said:
superchunk said:
I wonder if 360 is profitable with all these discounts. Probably is.

Manufacturing costs are around $250 for an XBox360. You do the math..

I'd love to see where you came up with $250 from.

a) I've seen what is inside of it   b) I have 25 years of experience in mass manufacturing industries   c) I hav actually built computers for a while (over 20 years ago, though)  d) you can find estimates in technology forums that coincide with this value   e) You can compare to the PS3 and make cross reference estimates    f) I just make these numbers up (if you don't like a to e).

 



drkohler said:
mrstickball said:
drkohler said:
superchunk said:
I wonder if 360 is profitable with all these discounts. Probably is.

Manufacturing costs are around $250 for an XBox360. You do the math..

I'd love to see where you came up with $250 from.

a) I've seen what is inside of it   b) I have 25 years of experience in mass manufacturing industries   c) I hav actually built computers for a while (over 20 years ago, though)  d) you can find estimates in technology forums that coincide with this value   e) You can compare to the PS3 and make cross reference estimates    f) I just make these numbers up (if you don't like a to e).

 

A.) You don't know the yields/cost of the chips, B.) You don't know the manufacturing defect rate, C.) You don't know the ongoing warranty costs, D.) You don't know what costing model they use

 



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Squilliam said:
drkohler said:
mrstickball said:
drkohler said:
superchunk said:
I wonder if 360 is profitable with all these discounts. Probably is.

Manufacturing costs are around $250 for an XBox360. You do the math..

I'd love to see where you came up with $250 from.

A.) You don't know the yields/cost of the chips, B.) You don't know the manufacturing defect rate, C.) You don't know the ongoing warranty costs, D.) You don't know what costing model they use

Obviously nobody knows the yields of the PS3/XBox processors and the exact prices negotiated between the companies (except the parties involved and IBM certainly is not going to tell us). However, rough estimates on yields are known and even if there were uncertainties in the 10-20% range, that would yield to roughly the same differences in chip prices, which again would result in price differences in the single $ digits. None of the other points you bring up have _anything at all_ to do with estimating the manufacturing costs. It really is important to have insight into mass manufacturing processes (and how expensive things are on that level - and I have come across many surprises within the past 25 years when I tried to estimate stuff without knowing the facts behind them) when trying to figure out the manufacturing of a mass market gadget (something you obviously lack so don't make up invalid points to argue).

 



drkohler said:
Squilliam said:
drkohler said:
mrstickball said:
drkohler said:
superchunk said:
I wonder if 360 is profitable with all these discounts. Probably is.

Manufacturing costs are around $250 for an XBox360. You do the math..

I'd love to see where you came up with $250 from.

A.) You don't know the yields/cost of the chips, B.) You don't know the manufacturing defect rate, C.) You don't know the ongoing warranty costs, D.) You don't know what costing model they use

Obviously nobody knows the yields of the PS3/XBox processors and the exact prices negotiated between the companies (except the parties involved and IBM certainly is not going to tell us). However, rough estimates on yields are known and even if there were uncertainties in the 10-20% range, that would yield to roughly the same differences in chip prices, which again would result in price differences in the single $ digits. None of the other points you bring up have _anything at all_ to do with estimating the manufacturing costs. It really is important to have insight into mass manufacturing processes (and how expensive things are on that level - and I have come across many surprises within the past 25 years when I tried to estimate stuff without knowing the facts behind them) when trying to figure out the manufacturing of a mass market gadget (something you obviously lack so don't make up invalid points to argue).

 

 

 Yields are a closely guarded secret. So really inferring Xbox CPU/GPU yields from information on other processes, which is at best a good estimate isn't going to give you an accurate picture. So really, if you want to back up your earlier statement tell me your estimated cost for both the Xenon and the Xenos Cpu given your estimated yields and the die size can be found on http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3152&p=3 as well as pictures of the internal components.

So what I really want to know is this. How much does it cost for each Wafer, how many chips/working chips can be produced on every wafer and the packaging and testing costs which should yield the price per chip. To help you out the GPU is produced on TSMCs 80nm process and the CPU is produced on TSMCs 65nm process.



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