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Kasz216 said:
tarheel91 said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
I would love to see a co-ed league of any sport. It would be awesome. Some women out there would pulverize men at any sport, and they'd have the whole "oh no I was beaten by a girl" macho bullshit shame thing going on on the TV all the time and it would be hilarious. And eventually everybody would realize that women aren't physically inferior.



But I thought women already had sports, like shopping and cooking and cleaning?

 

First, using a word like inferior posions the well.  It makes anyone who suggests something seem sexist thanks to the connotation.  Regardless of what you want to believe, women are weaker physically.  The average female is less strong than the average male by a noticeable amount, period.  Yes, there are plenty fo women who are stronger than plenty of men, but that doesn't mean anything.  Just because you know a couple 13 year olds more mature than a couple 16 year olds, does that make 13 year olds more mature suddenly?

Going by averages when talking about individuals is pointless.

How many "average" people play proffesional sports?

 

Actually quite a few average people somehow play pro sports. You know, Lebron James, Ronaldinho, Paul Pierce, Barry Bonds, Payton Manning etc



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Gnizmo said:

Kasz216 said:

Going by averages when talking about individuals is pointless.

How many "average" people play proffesional sports?

 I would argue it would come more into play here than in a general population. At the high school and probably even college level integrating the sports would probably ead to a fairly even balance between men and women. The proffesional sports, however, are extremely competitive. We are talking about the top 1% in terms of physical build. These people are born to be able to play better than almost everyone else. At that level the differences between the two groups become extremely apparent. There certainly are women who can compete in any sport out there today. The limited number would probably cause rampant accusations of sexism though.

There would not be an even balance. Have you watched high school sports before? 

 



Jackson50 said:

There would not be an even balance. Have you watched high school sports before?

 

 Not extensively, but a bit. The level of physical demand is much much lower at that point. It is still easily conceivable for someone to push the extra mile to get better than someone else and make a spot on the team. It is competitive, but not a super cut throat situation. The differences between the sexes is rather small on the whole so it wouldn't be as big a factor when dealing with a limited enough pool of people. It would only really become an issue if you can pick and choose an entire team consisting of the top of the top athletes for the sport.



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Gnizmo said:

Jackson50 said:

There would not be an even balance. Have you watched high school sports before?

 

 Not extensively, but a bit. The level of physical demand is much much lower at that point. It is still easily conceivable for someone to push the extra mile to get better than someone else and make a spot on the team. It is competitive, but not a super cut throat situation. The differences between the sexes is rather small on the whole so it wouldn't be as big a factor when dealing with a limited enough pool of people. It would only really become an issue if you can pick and choose an entire team consisting of the top of the top athletes for the sport.

I have watched high school sports rather extensively, and I played football and also wrestled. The differences between the genders may not be as pronounced as in the pro leagues, but it is still pronounced. Granted, you would have the occasional female standout similar to Britney Griner or Candace Parker make a boy's team, but the vast majority of female athletes would not. 

 



This is all a moot point.

There are not laws or restrictions against women playing in professional sports. The truth is just that there are not any women out there who could possibly hope to compete with men at that high of a level. I'm talking about "real" sports (this will probably start arguments lol), not golf, racecar driving, table tennis etc. The only exception that comes to mind is Billie Jean King in tennis. But today the gap has widened considerably between men and women with the onset of steroids and other supplements.

Is it not fair that women don't then have their own leagues? I think it's perfectly fair. Sports are a business just like any other business, and the product they sell has to be a good one. Women are, from that perspective, not as good of a product, so a lot of times there is no market for professional women leagues.



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CaptainPrefrences said:
Kasz216 said:
tarheel91 said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
I would love to see a co-ed league of any sport. It would be awesome. Some women out there would pulverize men at any sport, and they'd have the whole "oh no I was beaten by a girl" macho bullshit shame thing going on on the TV all the time and it would be hilarious. And eventually everybody would realize that women aren't physically inferior.



But I thought women already had sports, like shopping and cooking and cleaning?

 

First, using a word like inferior posions the well.  It makes anyone who suggests something seem sexist thanks to the connotation.  Regardless of what you want to believe, women are weaker physically.  The average female is less strong than the average male by a noticeable amount, period.  Yes, there are plenty fo women who are stronger than plenty of men, but that doesn't mean anything.  Just because you know a couple 13 year olds more mature than a couple 16 year olds, does that make 13 year olds more mature suddenly?

Going by averages when talking about individuals is pointless.

How many "average" people play proffesional sports?

 

Actually quite a few average people somehow play pro sports. You know, Lebron James, Ronaldinho, Paul Pierce, Barry Bonds, Payton Manning etc

Your definition of average is quite laughable.

The average man is 5'9.

There is nothing average about any of those guys.  They were all born terribly gifted atheletes who worked hard to condition themselves even more, and to learn the skills to play.



Broncos724 said:
This is all a moot point.

There are not laws or restrictions against women playing in professional sports. The truth is just that there are not any women out there who could possibly hope to compete with men at that high of a level. I'm talking about "real" sports (this will probably start arguments lol), not golf, racecar driving, table tennis etc. The only exception that comes to mind is Billie Jean King in tennis. But today the gap has widened considerably between men and women with the onset of steroids and other supplements.

Is it not fair that women don't then have their own leagues? I think it's perfectly fair. Sports are a business just like any other business, and the product they sell has to be a good one. Women are, from that perspective, not as good of a product, so a lot of times there is no market for professional women leagues.

Yet those leagues still exist.

The WNBA has been nothing but a giant sinkhole of money.  Women's college sports are pretty much never cost effective.  Instead taking money from the more expensive profitable men's programs... (and often complain that they don't get equal money and scholarships.)

The free market doesn't come in because people think that seregation is being fair for some reason.  Seperate but equal so to speak.  (Or seperate but not equal.)

 



Some sports, ok. Auto Racing, Motorcross, ok.




Sports in general are intentionally sexist since the primary audience is males. Everything from the advertising surrounding sports, the sports channels themselves, the cheerleaders, and just about everything else sports related is sexist.

So its not so much that female sports are sexist, its that ALL sports in general are sexist.



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I think it's because sports are supposed to be fun, and generally when adults from both genders group together for anything other than drinking, it's not fun... even then that's not really fun either, more just a formality before sex.



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.