DirtyP2002 said: DMeisterJ said: Wow. PS3 is pwning 360 this year. Got about 1.2 mln units for 360 to make up on PS3. It's a shame that Squilliam is only using Q3/Q4 2008 sales for his sig, and not full year sales.    Funny to hear from a guy who predictet the PS3 would overtake the Xbox360 in Q2 2009.

It can happen, the PS3 has some good cards. Killzone 2 will launch before that, a slimline PS3 may be ready for the South American launch around that period, Final Fantasy XIII may become available exclusively for Japan in time, who knows when exclusive highlight games like God of War 3 and Gran Turismo 5 will become available?

 

@ kowenicki

You are also one of the people who claims 50 GB Blu-Ray discs offer no potential advantage over 6.8 GB dual layer 360 DVDs for gaming with certainty.

Yet people are complaining about 360 DVD disc scratching, 360 drive noise and many modern 360 game DVDs are fully scrammed.

I think I am far more open minded than you are (I am not saying the PS3 will certainly overtake the 360 Q2 2009, just that it is possible, the gap is pretty small). A lot can happen, which could have major effects on 360 sales. RRoD issues may become under control (instead of people buying newer 360s Microsoft may need to replace older units), 360 sales will very likely go beyond total XBox sales this year, etc (with all major XBox games having had sequels on the 360 and entry pricing about on par with the original XBox near the end of its lifecycle).

Kreshi said: you guys dont get it, do you.. 95% of the games are multiplatform and those 95% are running better on the Xbox360. RS2 has bullshit graphics even though its ps3 exclusive and a high budget title.. if you dont believe me play it on a >50 1080p TV and compare it with any 360 shooter. rs2 is the PIXELSHIT.. it seems to have no aa at all.. LBP? sorry but this is not my type of game.. Killzone2? okey this one looks really great, but there were millions spent for it to look great.. you can do a lot with so much money, even do a wii game with awesome graphics.. still killzone is a ps3 +. now back to my point, why are there so much fools who pays 2x more to get a ps3 instead of buying a 360 where 95% of the games runns and plays better.. even the controller is better! ps3 controller is the same since ps1, sure it was great back then, but the time goes on you know... after 2 years the xbox has still the graphical lead over the ps3... the cell-cpu wont help the ps3 in any way, cause the cpu is not that much important for gaming.. on the other side its restricted by the ram and gpu... even crysis dont need any high ghz cpu, what it needs is ram and a worthy gpu in which the 360 is both superior to the ps3.. sony is talking about only using 50% of ps3? lol, they are maybe using 50% of the cpu because the games dont and wont need more.. and btw the 360 architecture is also more effizient than the one of the ps3.. even 1 of my best friends who owned a 360, sold his 360, got a ps3 because he is a long-lived sony-fanboy and after i went to his house with my xbox we compared so many games and how they played on each console and he was like WTF!!! he will sell his ps3 now and buy him a 360 again... he is so pissed, he really believed in sony and payed even 700€ for his ps3 (he bought it on release) and this is what he got... -->graphics were better on 360 -->online was better on 360 -->controller was better on 360, especially for shooters and even my sony-fanboy friend admitted it (you slip alot on the ps3 controller sticks) so why the hell do you people even buy such a overhyped, overexpensive console anyway? cause of 1 game being compareable to gears?(killzone2) i think its cause you couldnt suppress your sony-fanboy instincts but thats just me...

And yet the PS3 has outsold 360 this year. Why? Why does the PS3 continue to sell, despite the fact that this 'superior' console is half its price? Why doesn't it bomb and get 30k WW every week?

People buy it because they prefer its games. People buy it because it does, in fact, have superior graphics. Admittedly, this is often unrealised, but just look to an exclusive like MGS4 or Uncharted. Please, show me one game on the 360 that looks as good as either of those. Why are you taking Resistance 2 as a representation of all PS3 games, and why are you judging it solely based on graphics?

95% of games are certainly not multiplat. Maybe 80%. And 95% of multiplats run equally well on both consoles. 4% run better on 360, 1% run better on PS3. But that's not very many.

LBP may not be your kind of game. Hell, it's not my kind of game, I'm only going to buy it to see why everyone loves it so much. But it's a lot of people's kind of game.

Why must anything be comparable to Gears? Does the 360 have anything comparable to Uncharted? I thought not. They have different libraries, and many games on both consoles have no real equivalent on the competition. And frankly, the Wii has a set limit to graphics, lower than the 360, lower than the PS3. But that has nothing to do with this thread.

Online is better on 360, but it also costs money on 360.

And the Dual Shock works fine, once you're used to it. I can use both the 360 and PS3 controller with ease. And look at the Xbox controller, then look at the PS2 controller. See how the Xbox controller was PS2-ised to make the 360 controller?

Why your friend would spend 700 euros on a console (by the way, it never cost that much, not even at launch) and then proceed to NOT defend it against any insult, and even go so far as to want to sell it, is beyond me, which makes me think you're lying. He's not going to be able to sell it for 700 euros, so he's wasting a lot of money. And if he was a Sony fanboy, all he would need is Team Ico, Insomniac, Naughty Dog, Santa Monica and Sucker Punch, and he would be happy.

Of course, brand name comes into it. Brand name always comes into it. But the PS3 is not selling on brand name alone.

Also, you're forgetting the fact that it has blu-ray. Some people buy it for that alone.

@ kowenicki

I owned a 360 in the past, but that has little to do with being open minded or not. It does however potentially add considerably to perspective overview.

Most XBox gamers owned a PS2 as well.

CAL4M1TY said: SpartanFX said: don't forget that the next 4-5 months will be 360's best months in its life cycle.it's downhill afterward.   Funny. A year ago, the months after Halo 3 dropped were supposed to be the best months in the 360's cycle.

 

 There are two ways to make predictions of future sales for a console. One is to look at upcoming events and predict their impact and the other is to compare to historical trends. Based on historical trends the 360 is going to go the tank after this holiday and sales will effectively stop after 2009.

Just look at any other not first place console and this is exactly what you will see; its third full year is by far its strongest, there is a massive drop in year four and after year four it basically doesn't sell at all.

That doesn't mean this is guarenteed, but is a valid way of looking at things (and a completely different perspective than the halo refrence you cited)

The ps3 camp will spin round and round but the fact is that they are still millions behind and will continue to do so in 2008 and 2009, at least. Developments past that timeframe are way harder to prect. But there's always hope, right? It still springs eternal last I heard.

And MikeB being open minded is lulz worthy, sorry =/

The Gap is pretty big , and there is no doubt about it, everyone who thinks that 5.5+ million is nothing needs reality check, PS3 is not selling as well as expected and this is a fact. Before this Gen started no one expected Sony to be in third place, and now Sony need to fight hard to get loosed ground, 360 wont be outsold by PS3 before late 2010 earliest, i just dont see it happening. Even if Sony cuts the price soon, MS can follow and cut the price on Pro and Elite, they can afford it.

@ Bitmap Frogs

You are probably referring to hardware specs. But that's just like being "open minded" enough to consider 100 Euro to be worth more than 200 Euro. I wouldn't call that being open minded at all.

MikeB said: @ Bitmap Frogs And MikeB being open minded is lulz worthy, sorry =/ You are probably referring to hardware specs. But that's just like being "open minded" enough to consider 100 Euro to be worth more than 200 Euro. I wouldn't call that being open minded at all.

 

C'mon MikeB, just googling your handle in the neogaf forums and the avforums (or whatever were the a/v forums you used to visit) will result in nothing but a staunch-no-middle-ground pro sony stance.

You will *never* acknowledge anything from microsoft and will *always* spin the sony way.

@ Bitmap Frogs

They are good at marketing (although often misinformative, misleading and inaccurate), probably better than Sony this gen so far (which IMO has been pretty sucky at times).

FYI, at the beginning when the 360 launched I said that I thought it was a good game console (much better than I think now). I bought the 360 for the launch game Kameo, which I still think is a good game. The Gears of War hype, made me even buy this game, but it ended up not really being my piece of cake.

I was never really involved in PS2 vs XBox arguments. I think everyone is entitled of an opinion, informed opinions come with experience.