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WiteoutKing said:
He misfired at the wrong company, doesn't make the post bullshit. It's just as true, just less useful in this debate.

 

1 "wants and desires to have generic "hardcore" games with the prettiest graphics"

2 "Sony stops making generic "hardcore" games largely geared towards the 13-15 year" 

3 "Sony fanboy would have long since given up as legitimate reasons for discrediting the Wii."

 4 "Developer after developer has since come flocking to the Wii where as Developer after developer has abandoned the PS3"

 All i see is a Nintendo fanboy rant, but its not bs its true ? ok.

 

Another Mario and Zelda so generic, Nintendo cant you even come up with new Ips.

Nintendo stop making generic kid games, adults also play games i want something like Gears or God of War.

Are nintendo fan so sad they they still think only waggle controlls matter in a game, everything else can be last gen ?

Yahh PS2 and PSP ports, what happend at E3 ? Still NO big franchice announcments for the wii.

 

Well mine is not bs, its also quite true.  Iam not writing an essey just to hide it.

 



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@legend11AND your mother, finally here is one issue that we completely agree on =)

@vizion, graphics just don't matter to you maybe, but to call them unimportant is either naive or plain stupid. and NO, those games you listed could NEVER be made on the Wii........ because they would no longer be "those" games, they'd be different games, which should be enough for you, but it never is... this seems like more and more you are justifying your Wii, what, you jealous?

@leroybrown, you obviously don't know legend11, he's a total 360er. our poor choice in consoles? don't forget that MANY of us out here willing to shell out sometimes THOUSANDS of dollars for our game setup could buy a Wii on a whim, and I plan to when the current one is "worth" it to me.

50" Sony HDTV, bought SPECIFICALLY for my PS3 = $2700
PS3 60gb = $700
extended warranty = $100
extra controller = $50
bluetooth remote = $25
2 games = $120

$3695+

yeah i could go get a Wii right now if I "wanted" to, but TO ME it is not worth $300, because? graphics are still a little important to me. just go enjoy the damn thing and stop trying to negate others values.



It's not LeroyBrown, it's Gballzack and I don't know why no-one else has seen it??
Same posting style, same  attacks on people's personal tastes, and same errors and phrases she loved to use (though this time I won't make it easy and point them out :)).

The "mistake" of assuming Legend11 prefers the PS3 is deliberate.  Look at the post history, she been around long enough to know Legend11 left twice, but not know he prefers the X360? yeah right.

@Gball - I personally agree with many of your points, when they're objective (or at least semi-objective).  Your "graphics come and go" post earlier was one of the best I've read on these boards.  What I disliked was that some of your posts simply became nothing more than personal attacks on people's tastes and preferences. comments such as
"and you, the unwiting pawn of a consumer you are, dance to their drum beat out of your wants and desires to have generic "hardcore" games with the prettiest graphics. Your appetite for games that exploit genres made big by Microsoft's Xbox knows no limits. Your need for FPS clone after FPS clone is insatiable."
are just uncalled for - which by the way also shows how deliberate the "mistake" was in assuming Legend's preference.

@thread: My sincere apologies for this rant.  This is a great site, and it's frustrating to see it get spammed by the same person over-and-over.



Nonquihote said:

 LMAO he owns a 360 not a PS3

So much BS in your post just makes it that much more funny,


My appologies to Legend11 on my erroneous error. I obviously jump the gun on assuming which console he was an advocate of so I'll edit my post to make it more appropriate and include an appology on that point. 

Still I wouldn't call the argument BS outside of that error, its still relevant to the attacks I frequently see on the Wii's user base and game lineup. I agree it could have been worded better, but its not so out of place that I feel it cannot stand on its own.

@Your Mother: His attacks on the Wii and the preferences of Wii gamers was no more founded than my own criticism of his own philosophy ultimately invalidating your suggestion of myself being the intollerant persecutor. He attacked the Wii, its user base and games, I responded by attacking what I thought was his preference to illustrate no one is in the clear this early in the generation. I believe you're mistaken in assuming my post was simply an attack on personal opinion without a greater point to be made. I'm sorry if you dissagree with that suggestion but I simply cannot conciede to your claims just as I'm sure you cannot conciede to mine.

@Vizunary: Being able to afford something or put thousands of dollars into it doesn't justify the decision or make it any less flawed or validated. You argument is moot. If you want to invest in a 360 or PS3, that's fine, but I'm not going to stand by and let someone bash the Wii and its games when they've no room themselves to speak of their own choices. All three consoles are in equally precarious situations with all three fanbases convincing themselves they're the ones doing it right, my retaliation against Legend11 wasn't so much to bash the PS3 (or 360) and elevate the Wii above them but to illustrate that he's no room to talk on the issues he's chosen to attack the Wii on.

@Ray007: Unless Gballzack is a six foot tall black man, I'm pretty sure you've got the wrong person. And if your merit of comparison is any individual attacking other people's personal tastes then you could make the argument that 40% of the people in this forum (if not more) are Gballzack. Of course I'm sure this is only seen as an elaborate lie and the connotation between myself and Mr. Gballzack will continue on, but I'm not about to let such things derail my train of thought. You're not the first person to bring this up and I doubt you'll be the last.

In retrospect since everytime someone bashes the PS3 they're automatically assumed to be a Wii fanboy, I don't feel quite so bad about my mistake (in fact I would think more 360 gamers are mistaken for Wii gamers than they ever are for PS3 gamers) but irregardless I will not deny the fact that I have indeed made a mistake and own up to it.



I never considered graphics to be the most important aspect, games, price, etc. are always bigger factors



 

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LeroyBrown said:
 

My appologies to Legend11 on my erroneous error. I obviously jump the gun on assuming which console you were a fanboy of, I'll edit my post to make it appropriate.

Still the argument is valid none the less towards the PS3 audience and to a lesser extent towards the 360 demographic. Just as someone else pointed out, its only out of place in this debate.

@Your Mother: His attacks on the Wii and the preferences of Wii gamers was no more founded than my own criticism of his own philosophy ultimately invalidating your suggestion of I being the intollerant persecutor.

@Vizunary: Being able to afford something or put thousands of dollars into doesn't justify the decision or make it any less flawed or validated. You argument is moot.

@Ray007: Unless Gballzack was a six foot tall blackman, I'm pretty sure you've got the wrong person. And if your merit of comparison is any individual attacking other people's personal tastes then you could make the argument that 40% of the people in this forum (if not more) are Gballzack. If I went through this entire forum and found anyone who had ever posted a single scentence response could I calim they were Blue3 as well?

I admit I made a foolish and embarassing mistake, and once again must appologize to Legend11 for assuming he was a PS3 fanboy. But I still think he's being a bitter brat about the Wii and since the PS3 and 360 are of much the same vein of gaming, most of my points still stand irregardless the console prefence, heck I could just switch PS3 with 360 in the debate and everything would still stand. In fact, I might do that. I'd also like to point out the hypocrisy of all those acting like its such a horrible error to assume someone bashing the Wii is a PS3 gamer as by the flip side of that coin when anyone bashes the PS3 on this forum, they're automatically assumed to be a Wii gamer. In fact I would like to point out that more people on this forum have probably mistaken 360 gamers for Wii gamers than anyone has for PS3 gamers here.

I was looking forward to this.

Erroneous error? That's like Alexander Haig when he said the US should exercise "careful caution". God you have a way of peppering your run-on paragraphs sentences with useless redundancy.

@Your Mother: His attacks on the Wii and the preferences of Wii gamers was no more founded than my own criticism of his own philosophy ultimately invalidating your suggestion of I being the intollerant persecutor.

So... why do it? Why stoop down to his level then? Both you guys are intolerant and intolerable as far as I'm concerned if you guys keep this up.

@Vizunary: Being able to afford something or put thousands of dollars into doesn't justify the decision or make it any less flawed or validated. You argument is moot.

Twist the words around against your favor and the same comment can be made: Your argument is also moot in his eyes. That doesn't make either him necessarily correct. That certainly doesn't make you correct either.

I admit I made a foolish and embarassing mistake, and once again must appologize to Legend11 for assuming he was a PS3 fanboy. But I still think he's being a bitter brat about the Wii

Let's see:  "I apologize to Legend11 but I still think he's being a bitter brat"

So you are not apologizing at all. Way to hide your true meaning in another cluster of useless, fluffy words.

and since the PS3 and 360 are of much the same vein of gaming, most of my points still stand irregardless the console prefence, heck I could just switch PS3 with 360 in the debate and everything would still stand. In fact, I might do that. I'd also like to point out the hypocrisy of all those acting like its such a horrible error to assume someone bashing the Wii is a PS3 gamer as by the flip side of that coin when anyone bashes the PS3 on this forum, they're automatically assumed to be a Wii gamer. In fact I would like to point out that more people on this forum have probably mistaken 360 gamers for Wii gamers than anyone has for PS3 gamers here.

Go ahead. We can all twist words the very same way you do.

And you must give forum users more credit than you do now - you can't possibly believe the VGChartz collective is anywhere near as stupid as you think they are. We all see right through your guise.

 

 



your mother said:

I was looking forward to this.

Erroneous error? That's like Alexander Haig when he said the US should exercise "careful caution". God you have a way of peppering your run-on paragraphs sentences with useless redundancy.


I appologize my grammar is not to your liking.

your mother said:

@Your Mother: His attacks on the Wii and the preferences of Wii gamers was no more founded than my own criticism of his own philosophy ultimately invalidating your suggestion of I being the intollerant persecutor.

So... why do it? Why stoop down to his level then? Both you guys are intolerant and intolerable as far as I'm concerned if you guys keep this up.

 

Because my intent was to illustrate the hypocrisy of his claims against the Wii by showing him just how much the criticism of game philosophy could be turned around on what I thought was his system of choice. It's not a simple matter of exchanging of bashed opinions, but rather a means of illustrating a point. I realize I had gotten very carried away with myself and may have loss many readers as to the original purpose of my response but its not as simple an exchange as you would suggest it is.

@Vizunary: Being able to afford something or put thousands of dollars into doesn't justify the decision or make it any less flawed or validated. You argument is moot.

Twist the words around against your favor and the same comment can be made: Your argument is also moot in his eyes. That doesn't make either him necessarily correct. That certainly doesn't make you correct either.

My aim wasn't to force my ideals on him but to show his comment was largely irrelevant within the context of the discussion. Pointing out the irrelevancy of a person's comment on a debate does not require them to accepting the oppossing individual's stance on the debate, just acknowledgement the context of the debate itself.

your mother said:

I admit I made a foolish and embarassing mistake, and once again must appologize to Legend11 for assuming he was a PS3 fanboy. But I still think he's being a bitter brat about the Wii

Let's see:  "I apologize to Legend11 but I still think he's being a bitter brat"

So you are not apologizing at all. Way to hide your true meaning in another cluster of useless, fluffy words.

I appologized for assuming he was a PS3 fanboy not that I stood up to him on attacking the Wii, I still think he's a bitter brat for attacking the Wii on the basis he did. The two are completely different issues and an appology for my error does not entail me recanting my entire debate or postion.

your mother said:

and since the PS3 and 360 are of much the same vein of gaming, most of my points still stand irregardless the console prefence, heck I could just switch PS3 with 360 in the debate and everything would still stand. In fact, I might do that. I'd also like to point out the hypocrisy of all those acting like its such a horrible error to assume someone bashing the Wii is a PS3 gamer as by the flip side of that coin when anyone bashes the PS3 on this forum, they're automatically assumed to be a Wii gamer. In fact I would like to point out that more people on this forum have probably mistaken 360 gamers for Wii gamers than anyone has for PS3 gamers here.

Go ahead. We can all twist words the very same way you do.

And you must give forum users more credit than you do now - you can't possibly believe the VGChartz collective is anywhere near as stupid as you think they are. We all see right through your guise.

I'm sorry you feel I'm out to belittle and demean every individual I come across on this forum but the honest truth is the only mistake I've made in this entire thread is assuming Legend11 was a Ps3 gamer. That's all. I see no error in my argument otherwise and see no folly in my humble responses to my fellow members.

Your entire basis of attack on my response seems to be largely rooted in assuming my intentions are far more malicious than they really are. Either way you've demonstrated you're not equiped to handle this discussion beyond the point its been taken so I would feel it best we end it here. Or if you would like to persist and insist I do nothing but twist words and conspire to fool others with tricky wording then fine, I've nothing better to do myself honestly.



If graphics didnt matter then why would devs(i mean all devs including Nintendos) push the hardware they dev for.
If grpahics didnt matter then why did people complain that the Halo3 Beta didnt look good enough.
If graphics didnt matter why are Sony and MS making there consoles this graphically capable.



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PlayStation 4: 12-15million

Xbox One: 7-10 million

Wii U: 8-9 million (Changed 01/04/2014 from 7-9 --> 8-9 million)

mitsuhide said:
If graphics didnt matter then why would devs(i mean all devs including Nintendos) push the hardware they dev for.
If grpahics didnt matter then why did people complain that the Halo3 Beta didnt look good enough.
If graphics didnt matter why are Sony and MS making there consoles this graphically capable.

I don't particularaly think anyone here is suggesting graphics don't matter one bit what-so-ever, just that they are not as important as some would suggest they are. My personal stance was that they're a foolish endeavor to pursue in and only for themselves as there are greater things at play in creating a truly well rounded game, but not that they were pointless altogether. When Graphics become the sole focus of a console or game then most can agree there is a certain element of trouble and short sightedness as arguably too much investment is being placed in an aspect of gaming that is destined to fade with time.



I find it funny that now that the Wii is by far the weakest graphical console, that suddenly every Wii owner is saying: 'oh graphics are good enough as they are, further improvement is really just a tiny thing at this point.'

Also if you can't see what a huge leap there is between last gen graphics and this gen then you really are either lying to yourself or not looking hard enough. Just check a game such as Resident Evil 4 which by last gen standards was a great looking game, but in about two years it's already totally outdated looking and we're still in the beginning of this generation.

If games like Gears, Unreal, Call of Duty, Mass Effect and others can be done this early in the generation can you even imagine what the games are gonna look and play like at the end?

Also, saying that graphics is the only difference between what 360 and PS3 games can do and Wii games is totally ignoring all the other things that are totally impossible on Wii and possible on those other two consoles because of the power under the hood.

Edit: Also, I seem to notice a trend lately that keeps trying to say that 360 and PS3 are both FPS consoles. Look at the lineup of big games for both consoles for the rest of the year, the majority are not FPS games and are either RPG/Action or Adventure type games.

13-15 year old audience huh? So I guess all the people playing Halo who are of all ages much older than that are made up... 



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