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It is usually the hardcore gamers who are most concerned with enhanced graphics -- graphics that are "next gen," so this post is especially for you. 

Look, the graphics on consoles have come to the point where developers are not limited to realizing their vision. More pixels, shaders, polygons etc. then what? Where are you going to go from there? They can make Doom 3, Resident Evil 5, Gears of War, or another graphically cool games on the Wii, albeit scale down, but still doable. I think graphic capability was important in the last generation or two. Why? Because real-time 3D games can finally be realized. That's why games like Mario 64 and Zelda OOT were so cool -- those games couldn't be done on a weaker console.

Furthermore, graphics are not really important to most gamers. Fun and innovation is what's important to gamers. That is why so many gamers enjoyed playing Wii Sports even though the graphics looked relatlively bad (if the game was released without using motion controls we wouldn't even know the game existed). It is also why the Nintendo DS is killing the PSP in sales.  

The new interface was innovative, just as the Wii interface is a innovative. And the PS2 outselling the PS3 shows the consumers don't too much about more eye candy. Yes, that's what the PS3 is, just more eye candy. There is hardly anything new about it than just better graphics -- same type of games just in high definition.

What Nintendo's controllers does it expands developer's gameplay options -- it gives them more room to implement their creative ideas. And from that we get more innovative games.  think motion controllers is the next step in the evolution of gaming. Button smashing has been around for decades. Nintendo has changed all that by bringing in a new model for gaming that is more accessible and gives gamers more "control". 

I tell you guys what. If Sony, Microsoft, or any other company that comes out with their next console without motion controllers similiar to Nintendo's I'll eat my hat.



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Well Vizion said it and I guess he speaks for all of us... We should tell video card makers to stop all development on new video cards ASAP! This is the end of the line we don't need any more new fangled graphics in our future games we have as much realism as we'll ever need period!

p.s. Should I call AMD to tell them that Vizion said that graphics are not important anymore and we need to stop all research now or should I cut them out and move down the chain of command and call ATI directly?

p.p.s. Oh and Vizion, welcome to the forum...



Right now were the ps3 graphics are with uncharted and killzone and ratchet and watever you would like to know of is essentially what I think would be good for gaming, but graphcis will continue to be enhanced crysis looks amazing but the water looks a lil wierd.



 

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Legend11 said:

Well Vizion said it and I guess he speaks for all of us... We should tell video card makers to stop all development on new video cards ASAP! This is the end of the line we don't need any more new fangled graphics in our future games we have as much realism as we'll ever need period!


 Now mate come on there is no need for that. I think Nintendo's success has Outstanded/Pissed off/Suprised the industry and gamers. As much as people like to deny it, Nintendo really did start a revolution. They Made people rethink what a video game is. A Lot of the Games Coming out for the PS3 And 360 are so heavly focused on graphics it is rediculous. I Have read a lot of forum posts and hear people chant, "well they are not just focused on the Graphics but physics and AI". But as Of now i have not seen any AI in a game that has impressed me (Gears of war was horrible, and the demo for MGS3, the AI don't look much better, but lets waite and see)in the slightest and that i had not seen in the last Gen. And as for Physics, it really depends on the game, i mean just because a can drops from a wall and hits the graound realistically in a game dosent always excell the game play, it has to help with game play. And not may of the  physics in games of this gen have proven it to add fun IMO. A Lot of  gamers like to define next gen by hardware, but i don not see that as true. The Next Gen is defined by new Experinces and as much as i will be getting a PS3 later this year. There is only one Console bringing forth a new experience in this Console Gen, that is why its selling like hot Cakes. My two Cents 



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It's selling like hotcakes because of Wii Sports and will be selling like hotcakes next year because of Wii Fit, because lets be honest if there was no Wii Sports does everyone here actually think it would still be selling like it is even with it's new motion controller? Oh and the price difference likely has something to do with it as well, too bad we can't increase the price of the Wii to $499 US and see how quickly it sells out then...



Our society is based on looks. Put average Joe who knows little about games in a store put on a wii game on tvA and PS3 game on tvB. Take a wild guess what he will want more ?

Wii and DS are selling better largely because THEY cost LESS, i don'a t know how any one can overlook cost as the main factor.

Put that same average Joe in store say console on the left costs 250, console on the right cost 600. WTF do you think majority will choose ?

Its all about price and the perception of value.



Vizion said:

Look, the graphics on consoles have come to the point where developers are not limited to realizing their vision.


Could you tell that to Rockstar?  They're trying to create a more living breathing city in Grand Theft Auto IV and are having framerate issues because of it.



I don't go so far as to say it's not important. To me, it is important only if developers want better graphics to realize their ideas that meaningfully enhance our game experience.

Graphical realism is neither a necessary nor sufficient condition for better gaming experience. It's however a facilitating factor if it's implemented correctly.

I know you're talking about console but as far as the PC gamer side goes, I don't think most hardcore gamers want realistic graphics. My friends in Japan who are FPS/MMO freaks simply don't care about realism. They set graphic settings low to get the best frame per second. Beautiful graphics are cute for about an hour or two. The rest is about gameplay.

Hardware makers, on the other hand, have their own reasons to improve graphics so the progression is unavoidable and consumers don't have much choice. The real question is whether developers have enough creativity to fully exploit the realism cutting-edge technologies produce and to justify the expenses consumers have to pay for cute graphics.



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Legend11 said:
It's selling like hotcakes because of Wii Sports and will be selling like hotcakes next year because of Wii Fit, because lets be honest if there was no Wii Sports does everyone here actually think it would still be selling like it is even with it's new motion controller? Oh and the price difference likely has something to do with it as well, too bad we can't increase the price of the Wii to $499 US and see how quickly it sells out then...

 So in layman's terms, what you're saying is "If the Wii didn't have all the things that make people want it, fewer people would be buying it."  Well golly gee, we should call up the people who give out Nobel Prizes, that was a stroke of genius, good sir.

 

Seriously, folks.  Graphics are not unimportant.  But they are no longer so vital that without top-of-the-line you'd fail.  This doesn't mean graphics progress should stop.  It just means that the difference is starting to become less important.  Gameplay's seat as the selling point of a game is making its way back into the spotlight.



PS3: 5.51m/51w, avg 108,039/w (up 239)
360: 12.93m/102w, avg 126,764/w (up 625), leads PS3 by 7.42m (up 70k), avg lead 18,725/w (up 386)
Wii: 13.52m/51w, avg 265,098/w (dn 1,102), leads PS3 by 8.01m (up 90k), avg lead 157,059/w (dn 1,341)

If 360 sales stabilize, PS3 sales increases needed to pass 360 by...
01/08: (008w) +875.8%, 04/08: (021w) +344.4%, 07/08: (034w) +219.3%, 10/08: (047w) +163.5%
01/09: (060w) +131.8%, 04/09: (073w) +111.4%, 07/09: (085w) +098.1%, 10/09: (099w) +086.7%
If Wii sales stabilize, PS3 sales increases needed to pass Wii by...
01/08: (008w) +1072.%, 04/08: (021w) +498.4%, 07/08: (034w) +363.4%, 10/08: (047w) +303.1%
01/09: (060w) +269.0%, 04/09: (073w) +246.9%, 07/09: (085w) +232.6%, 10/09: (099w) +220.3%
If PS2 sales freeze, Wii sales increases needed to pass PS2 (as of Mar07, 108.4m) by...
2008: (008w) +4373.8%, 2009: (060w) +0496.5%, 2010: (112w) +0219.6%, 2011: (165w) +0116.9%
2012: (217w) +0064.9%, 2013: (269w) +0033.1%, 2014: (321w) +0011.5%, 2015: (376w) -0004.8%
At +0% it will pass it in 358w, the week ending September 19th, 2014, at an age of 409w (7y44w).
Current age of PS2: 7y37w.

Last update: Week ending November 3, 2007