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darthdevidem01 said:
BengaBenga said:
darthdevidem01 said:
@spankey, starcraft & Benga BEnga

ok got it...thanks

So the conversion rate won't be great.....but in this case I guess Microsoft should be doing well due to a high yen...

 

Well, only if they sell alot in Japan, which as far as 360 goes is not really the case.

The real profits in currency differences has been the European market for tha last year. All three hardware manufacturers have earned hard Euro's that are worth relatively much in their respective homecountries.

The Euro has dropped a lot lately, so that party is over.

 

ok.....so no wonder SONY didn't get a profit....considering PS3 does well in EU

If the Euro isn't powerful it won't help....

Ofcourse things will have to go up currency wise some time next year.

 

Actually the Euro started dropping end of September, so shouldn't influence this quarter's results too much. Next quarter could be worse than expected, especially for Sony who has a disproportionally big marketshare in Europe. However Q4 should be profitable, despite this.

 



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BengaBenga said:
darthdevidem01 said:
BengaBenga said:
darthdevidem01 said:
@spankey, starcraft & Benga BEnga

ok got it...thanks

So the conversion rate won't be great.....but in this case I guess Microsoft should be doing well due to a high yen...

 

Well, only if they sell alot in Japan, which as far as 360 goes is not really the case.

The real profits in currency differences has been the European market for tha last year. All three hardware manufacturers have earned hard Euro's that are worth relatively much in their respective homecountries.

The Euro has dropped a lot lately, so that party is over.

 

ok.....so no wonder SONY didn't get a profit....considering PS3 does well in EU

If the Euro isn't powerful it won't help....

Ofcourse things will have to go up currency wise some time next year.

 

Actually the Euro started dropping end of September, so shouldn't influence this quarter's results too much. Next quarter could be worse than expected, especially for Sony who has a disproportionally big marketshare in Europe. However Q4 should be profitable, despite this.

 

Software sales will help SONY next quarter I guess

 



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July to September 2.43 isn't bad assuming its sales and not shipped. I know sony said they only announce sales now but you never can tell with these companies.

Thats about 800,000 a month and keep in mind it doesn't include June sales which were epic due to the release of MGS4. Not bad sony...not bad at all



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URNotE said:
July to September 2.43 isn't bad assuming its sales and not shipped. I know sony said they only announce sales now but you never can tell with these companies.

Thats about 800,000 a month and keep in mind it doesn't include June sales which were epic due to the release of MGS4. Not bad sony...not bad at all

 

Sony reports shipped units.

Even so it's not bad. The shipments, both hard-and-software, are fine. It's the financials that are bad. PS3 should be breaking even by now, but it's not. 



This is a troubling report because there is little that Sony can do to turn things around.  The games, tv, and movie division have been performing well.  The yen is killing the big Japanese companies.  The gaming division reported that they are still on target for their annual shipment projections for hardware and software.  In fact they increased guidance on the PSP by a million imots.  From a cost perspective it must be assumed that they are brining it inline with their internal goals.  I assume this because it is not stated that costs are a factor in their loss this quarter.

To understand the impact of the yen, here are some general metrics you can use.

"Sony loses 7.5 billion yen ($77 million) in profit for each 1 yen gain against the euro, and 4 billion yen ($40 million) for each 1 yen gain against the dollar, he said."

"In the July-September quarter, the dollar averaged about 107 yen, down from 117 yen the same quarter last year. That dragged down Sony's sales and operating revenue by some 122 billion yen ($1.3 billion), according to the company."

"Bad times could continue for the maker of the Walkman portable as the yen last week soared to a 13-year high of about 91 yen to the dollar."

Based on this information the yen was at 107 versus the dollar at the end of last quarter.  It finished trading on Wednesday at 91.  That's a difference of 16 just in the most recent quarter.  For every yen gain is a 40 million dollar loss for Sony.  They lost $640 million in currency conversion alone this quarter.

Article for reference => http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081029/as_japan_earns_sony.html

 



Thanks for the input, Jeff.

 

 

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Okay Sonys game division lost another $370,000,000.

With the PSP being profitable and the PS2 being profitable, the PS3 still ruins it big time.

The loss of the PS3 just for this quarter is: 370,000,000 + wins of PSP + wins of PS2. We don't know how successfull PSP and PS2 are, but my guess is, that the PS3 loses around $500,000,000 every 3 months. PSP and PS2 will make 130 millions combined in 3 months.

The product Playstation 3 is a huge financial failure for Sony.



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DirtyP2002 said:

Okay Sonys game division lost another $370,000,000.

With the PSP being profitable and the PS2 being profitable, the PS3 still ruins it big time.

The loss of the PS3 just for this quarter is: 370,000,000 + wins of PSP + wins of PS2. We don't know how successfull PSP and PS2 are, but my guess is, that the PS3 loses around $500,000,000 every 3 months. PSP and PS2 will make 130 millions combined in 3 months.

The product Playstation 3 is a huge financial failure for Sony.

 

I respectfully request you actually READ the financial reports again before barging in here with your frankly absurd "analysis".

In particular, please direct your attention to page 6 of this report.

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/08q2_sonypre.pdf



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johnsobas said:
Spankey said:
johnsobas said:
doesn't sound like good news to me. PS3 has been out for 2 years and they are still digging a whole for themselves. What's the total at now? -3.5 billion or so? It was like half a year ago everyone was claiming they were breaking even because sony wade a profit in the games division, now it's pretty clear that PS2 sales had made huge profits last holiday season that balanced things out. With that said they will probably get a profit again in the holiday quarter and go back to a small tiny loss after that.

That price drop everyone isn't looking like it will come soon. Luckily they are getting healthy sales without it.

 

@bolded: Please read the financial report at page 4 of the PDF.

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/08q2_sony.pdf

Elsewhere in the report you will find the explanations you require.

Also, read this extract from FishyJoe:

An operating loss of ¥39.5 billion ($379 million) was reported, an improvement of ¥57.2 billion year-on-year.  
The decrease in operating loss in the current quarter was primarily due to PS3 hardware cost reductions and increased sales of PS3 software, as well as strong sales of PSP hardware.

Sony are not out of the hole yet, but they're certainly improving in the Games division.

Sony play the long game

 

I quoted the total loss with the PS3 since launch and you come at me that they reduced the amount lost for the quarter year over year.  Even if they start making a profit they still have to dig out of a 3.5 billion dollar hole they dug themselves into with the PS3.  Even if the PS3 started making money like the PS2 in its prime for the next 4 years (which it won't) it wouldn't even make back half that money.

They are still losing 379 million even at a $400 pricepoint 2 years into the generation, that is not good.  I don't know what kind of world we have slipped into where that is a good thing even considering all the trouble Sony has gotten themself into this generation. 

If there was a way i could spin it i would, it's just bad.  Like it i said the main thing Sony has going for them is that the PS3 is actually selling pretty well at $400 because they can't afford the pressure to lower it right now.

 

 

HA!  And you're spinning things negatively by not giving credit where credit is due.  Selling more systems while reducing costs, outselling some of the competition, and selling a product with good value because of the loss is all moving in a positive direction.  Now, on one is saying all is rosey because it isn't, but there is no denying that SONY is doing a good job working it's way out of the forest.



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guys , don't forget the collapse of the Euro and Dollar, they really really hurt



Spankey said:
DirtyP2002 said:

Okay Sonys game division lost another $370,000,000.

With the PSP being profitable and the PS2 being profitable, the PS3 still ruins it big time.

The loss of the PS3 just for this quarter is: 370,000,000 + wins of PSP + wins of PS2. We don't know how successfull PSP and PS2 are, but my guess is, that the PS3 loses around $500,000,000 every 3 months. PSP and PS2 will make 130 millions combined in 3 months.

The product Playstation 3 is a huge financial failure for Sony.

 

I respectfully request you actually READ the financial reports again before barging in here with your frankly absurd "analysis".

In particular, please direct your attention to page 6 of this report.

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/08q2_sonypre.pdf

 

 what do you want me to see on page six? maybe i have a brain-bug right now, but i still don't get your point.



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