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Forums - Gaming Discussion - Opinion: Two Years In - How The Wii Has Failed

Words Of Wisdom on 28 October 2008
Millennium said:
In other words, we have an insecure adolescent male (mentally if not biologically) who doesn't let himself PLAY his Wii games. He goes into toolbox mode and then blames the Wii for allowing him to do so.

Typical poser. The article could not possibly be more wrong.

Translation:  I didn't actually read the article, just the headline.



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vlad321 on 28 October 2008
NYANKS said:
Senlis said:
HappySqurriel said:
NYANKS said:
I think the Wii is pretty much a failure in almost every way save for the one that counts. It's making craploads of money, so game over from a sales perspective. But the games don't seem to be much better than the Gamecube games, it's this promise of interactivity that attracts people. I was never a fan of the Wiimote, I remember expressly calling it nothing but a waggle version of an A button. Someone was eventually gonna go down this path, so I can't be too angry about the Wii in that regard. I just think people are being misled, beneath the shimmer of Immersion! and Innovation!, the Wii ain't all that, or at least not much different than the Cube. Except of course, in the one area - the bottom line.

 

There are (very) few games on the PS3 or XBox 360 that are not just incremental updates on previous generation games, where the primary improvement is better graphics; and in some cases the games are just incremental updates on Playstation 1 or N64 games with better graphics. I'm not saying this to bash the PS3 or XBox 360 either ...

From what I have seen, game design hit a plateau sometime between (about) 1998 and 2001 and we have been forced to revisit (basically) the same game with enhanced graphics several times by now. The Wiimote may not have delivered on its initial hype, but it has gotten people to start thinking about game development beyond how many polygons are being displayed to screen or how "advanced" your AI and physics are.

I agree

Well basically, it helped to remind people that graphics can't ever overtake gameplay in importance. But does diverting attention away from better graphics to waggle improve things all that much.  I mean aside from the Stock Nintendo gems have they changed things THAT much? I mean really, a lot of games that utilize waggle is just a simple remapping of face buttons, and alot of times the new controls can be annoying, changing a simple thing into a minor annoyance.  Basically I think it gets old quick.  Of course, you can't go by casuals that may or may not stop playing after their wonderment has faded.  A lot of core players like it, and I'm happy for them.  But using waggle doesn't necessarily make people think about revolutionizing game development, a lot of times developers just find a way to make old stuff work with a new controller.  Just seems like progress for the sake of, I can only take awaggle in very small doses and then I need a controller. 

 

 

Now you just described all the bad Wii games with motion controls, with just a waggle. In the same way you do this I can easily make out the 360 and the PS3 as game machines who have brought absolutely zero innovation to the gaming market, Same controls, same games, same gameplay, why the hell would anyone spend money on this?

There are games which use the wiimore beyond just remapping keys to it and those are the games that make the console worth having. Meanwhile, anything outside of sports and fighting games can be done much better on a PC.



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Millennium on 28 October 2008
Words Of Wisdom said:
Millennium said:
In other words, we have an insecure adolescent male (mentally if not biologically) who doesn't let himself PLAY his Wii games. He goes into toolbox mode and then blames the Wii for allowing him to do so.

Typical poser. The article could not possibly be more wrong.

Translation:  I didn't actually read the article, just the headline.

Oh, I read the article. And it all comes down to this guy playing like a toolbox and blaming the Wii for letting him. This makes no more sense than blaming fast food restaurants for people's weight problems.



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There is much to hate about modern gaming. That is why I support the Wii.

NYANKS on 28 October 2008
dib8rman said:
NYANKS said:
iceissac92 said:
i'm a sony fan but still nobody can say the wii is a failure do u not see the lead, u can add ps3 and 360 sales and it's only up probably by like 3 mil consoles

 

I know a sales site tends to cause single-mindedness, but most people will confirm that there is more than one way to fail.

 

In business there is only one way to "fail", the juxtapose of that is there is only one way to prevail.

 

 Okay, I meant failure in a way other than economics, if you couldn't gather that.  Who the hell is going to argue that? 



Shanobi on 28 October 2008

What an ignorant article. Point out the "waggle", but not every other thing that the controls have brought to gaming.

No mention of how critics and fans feel games like Madden, and Resident Evil 4 have been much improved by the controls.

Nope, just fanboy trolling from somebody on gamasutra. Congrats on posting a turd.



 

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NYANKS on 28 October 2008
Shanobi said:
What an ignorant article. Point out the "waggle", but not every other thing that the controls have brought to gaming.

No mention of how critics and fans feel games like Madden, and Resident Evil 4 have been much improved by the controls.

Nope, just fanboy trolling from somebody on gamasutra. Congrats on posting a turd.

 

 I guarantee those Madden fans are not in the majority. He could have made the argument better, but negative opinions of the Wii abound, so why is it not valid. All the systems take shit.



senortaco on 28 October 2008

If we were to put a nice bow on this debate it would be that not enough games for the Wii UP TIL NOW have taken full advantage of the Wii remote, and that Motion+ SHOULD help developers in improving this.

lol, basically The guy could have written his commentary like that, but then again we wouldn't be up to 10 pages of debate either...=D



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senortaco on 28 October 2008
RolStoppable said:
Seems like another one of these articles which fails to point out the real reason for the short comings: third parties. Had they taken the Wii serious from the get go, we would be swimming in great new games by now. But alas, a lot of third parties are still in the phase of starting to try.

 

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Kasz216 on 28 October 2008
darthdevidem01 said:
I agree with this completely.

The Wii is no PS2 games wise....I only have 3 games for it...and I don't intend to buy any in teh future. Games wise it is really Gamecube 2....imo.

everyone says 3rd parties will come....but they have been saying that for 2 years now. If the wii doesn't give me a very good reason to own it soon....it may be replaced by a 360 at a profit (as the wii will sell for loads of $$$ at xmas)

See i'd disagree.  I have about 2-3 times the number of Wii games then I did PS2 games at this time...

and I have like 60+ PS2 games.

I'd have even more... but I bought a PS3 for Valrkia Chronicles and also picked up PC gaming.

 



theRepublic on 28 October 2008
NYANKS said:
Shanobi said:
What an ignorant article. Point out the "waggle", but not every other thing that the controls have brought to gaming.

No mention of how critics and fans feel games like Madden, and Resident Evil 4 have been much improved by the controls.

Nope, just fanboy trolling from somebody on gamasutra. Congrats on posting a turd.

 

 I guarantee those Madden fans are not in the majority. He could have made the argument better, but negative opinions of the Wii abound, so why is it not valid. All the systems take shit.

The draw your own route feature has received a lot of high praise in the most recent Madden.  That's another control feature I forgot to mention in my last post.



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