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leo-j on 24 July 2007
libellule said:
Sorry loe-j,

I think u re wrong about photorealism on GT5 ...
Car are perfectly modelised but it is the same on PGR4 for example.
And both will be killed by any console race game released on 2010 for example.

Dude, GT looks better than what you think it does. If a game looks as realistic as reality what will be more relistic in 2010 when the ps3 is reaching its true graphics?

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The 360 has shown its potential through gears of war stated by epic.



 

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Tispower on 24 July 2007
Wojtas said:
You numbskull of course they look the same when you take a picture of a resolution not even close to that of the human eye and a single frame from the game.

It's real life perfomance that you should base on.

 +1

 leo-j, it's impossible to know whether something looks better than photo-realism, as human eyes can't take in any more detail than photo-realism, that is of course unless you don't have human eyes 0.o



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Dolla Dolla on 24 July 2007

Will there be a system next-gen that could TOP PS3's graphics?


PS4.

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rickthestick2 on 24 July 2007
Diomedes1976 said:
IF the Wii wipes out the floor with the competition then we wont see anything more powerful .All the companies will try to bring the least powerful an cheaper console and flood it with remakes of old games and casual games to "win " at the Wii style .

 Naw i'm pretty sure that when/if the Wii wipes the floor with the competition, the next gen would be around 360 graphics becuase i'm pretty sure that kind of power would be cheap like Wii by then. If Blu-Ray somhow becomes cheap however, i'd expect them all to use that. No one is going to move backwards in power/graphics. All companies are moving forward.

 And who knows, maybe by some miracle of science we'd be able to harness the power of Ultra Violet rays to use instead of Blue rays.



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Paperbag on 24 July 2007

This is an awful thread.

The next-gen platforms from Sony and MS will go way beyond what the PS3/360 can do visually.  Way beyond.  Please tell me you don't think things look so good now that there's nowhere to go...  The designs for the next consoles are already well underway in terms of planning and what not.  They won't be going backwards or standing still in terms of tech.  Well, atleast not Sony or Microsoft.

It'll be a miracle if the next Nintendo system even reaches PS3 level graphics.  God knows that Nintendo will not even try to keep up with the tech curve.  I wouldn't be surprised to see their next console be only slightly more powerful that what the Wii is now.  When it should atleast be about 1.5x the power of the PS3.  Cost wise, they should be able to make system slightly more powerful than PS3, at $250 retail, and still make a profit in 3-4 years when it comes time for a new machine.

With all the money Nintendo has made and will make this gen, they sure as hell better step it up for the next machine in terms of tech. 



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FJ-Warez on 24 July 2007
leo-j said:
HappySqurriel said:
 

Trust me, you can't win this argument because even pre-rendered graphics are still not as good as filmed images and are thus not photorealistic ... If a renderfarm can't meet photorealism the PS3 certainly can't


We will see.


Please, stop cheating yourself, take a look at Crysis, the game looks beautiful (And does not look exactly like the real life), but it need a large amount of ram, graphics ram and horse power just to render that image in real time, the PS3/360 can not make the cut, they had very limited resources thats why they are cheap (All right $600 is not kinda cheap, but is cheaper than a Top-of-the-line PC)...

Maybe the next,next,next gen...

 

BTW, did you know that "One" frame of Transformers took like 38 hours to render???



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rickthestick2 on 24 July 2007
Paperbag said:

This is an awful thread.

The next-gen platforms from Sony and MS will go way beyond what the PS3/360 can do visually. Way beyond. Please tell me you don't think things look so good now that there's nowhere to go... The designs for the next consoles are already well underway in terms of planning and what not. They won't be going backwards or standing still in terms of tech. Well, atleast not Sony or Microsoft.

It'll be a miracle if the next Nintendo system even reaches PS3 level graphics. God knows that Nintendo will not even try to keep up with the tech curve. I wouldn't be surprised to see their next console be only slightly more powerful that what the Wii is now. When it should atleast be about 1.5x the power of the PS3. Cost wise, they should be able to make system slightly more powerful than PS3, at $250 retail, and still make a profit in 3-4 years when it comes time for a new machine.

With all the money Nintendo has made and will make this gen, they sure as hell better step it up for the next machine in terms of tech.


 No no no. The Wii 2 will be alot better than the Wii in graphics i'm positive. The thing is, with a concept like Wii (and DS as well) they had to use less expensive technology with the innovation they had. They knew that if the new controls didn't do good on the system, they had to make sure that they didn't take as big of a loss as they would if they used $400-600 technology. Now that the Wii and DS are selling extraordinarily well, the Wii 2 and DS 2 will have much better technology than the surrent Wii and DS.

 I would expect the Wii 2 to have graphics somewhere between the 360 and the PS3, or 360 standards at the least. The DS would have around the Gamecube graphics, maybe even better. I'm going to be alot more excited for the Next Gen than this current Gen, especially if Nintendo "wins".  But you have the right idea, no company is going to move backwards, they all are moving forward.



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ddobson on 24 July 2007

Re: OP...

Yes.

I think the curve will start to flatten out in terms of graphics improvements, but there's still a ways to go in terms of visual rendering. I don't think character animation is going to get much better than it is right now, though -- it will always look weird and lame, because to put a real sense of weight and inertia into the player character would seriously compromise control. That may be the point past which graphics improvements stop mattering, because it's never going to make sense for a videogame "performance" to look and behave like a movie actor -- that's not what games are about. Cutscenes are not games.



yellow15 on 24 July 2007

Game console real time rendering photo realistic?


Computer Graphics in latest big Hollywood movie (which took hours to render each frame on "super computers") are still not 100% photo realistic yet and still improving every year.






your mother on 24 July 2007
Sqrl said:
leo-j said:
Wojtas said:
leo-j said:
Liquid has already hit "4-d" on the ps3, if the ps3 doesnt produce these maximum "4-d" graphcis, then there is the possibility another console around 2015 can exceed the ps3. But again people dont understand that games like uncharted only mannage to use as much as 30% of the power in the spu's(stated at e3 with gamespot). So pc gamers will say that direct x 10 is the "only way to produce 4-d graphcis" But its thier opinion. In terms of the 360, xbox fans claim to say that halo 3 will look better than gears of war, when epic stated they have brought out the maximum out of the 360, gamers dont realize it. Crisis is the only "4-d" game Ive seen so far, but ps3 has achieved like I said before "4-d" liquid giving it the possibility to produce intense 4-d graphcis.

Dude, stop using the 4-d term. Do you even know what the fourth dimension is according to physics?


An example is your pic, that is 4-d true physical apearence. At least thats what sony calls it.


4-D has nothing to do with photorealism.....and Wotja's sig is a 2-D image.

back when we had 2-D games what that meant was there were only 2 axis in the game that you could travel on....one axis (the y axis) was up and down...and the other axis (the x axis) was left and right. Now when we got 3-D graphics they added a new dimension (hence the "D") the new axis (the z axis) was depth so you could move deeper into the scene or closer to the screen.

Now we as people live in a 4-D world. What this means is that we can move up/down (y axis), side to side (x axis) and forward and back (z axis)....now the X, Y, and Z axis are all spacial dimensions the fourth dimension we live in is time.

Now if you wanna go really deep with it we get into string theory and M-Theory which is a unification of the 5 major string theories and ultimately brings us to a total 11 Dimensions (if you subscribe to M-theory), of which we as people only percieve 4. But to truly explain any of that I'm going to need you to at least have a basic understanding of differential equations and probably a solid grasp on general relativity and probably special relativity.

 

Oh, theoretical physics - my favorite! (And that's not sarcasm.)

But 11 dimensions? Riemann's metric tensor begs to differ. Then again, I haven't been reading up on the subject in the past couple of years, so I'm sure there have been hugs advancements in the field.