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windbane on 23 July 2007
Bodhesatva said:
windbane said:

Posted this in the other thread, but it is better directed here:

That is quite a list of B-titles the Wii has there...I can't wait. I hope they surprise me when I have my Wii waiting for Nintendo's next games.

However, I still contend the PS3 (and 360) will have plenty enough that the Wii does not have. If you include games that the PS3 and 360 get that the Wii doesn't, the list is far more impressive for the PS360. Then, you look at Sony's lineup and you have to feel good about the PS3.

What you have there is a skewed list. Compare those Wii exlcusives with PS360 "exclusives."


 


I agree with everything here but the last sentence. I absolutely agree that the PS3 will have a solid lineup throughout its lifespan, very much akin to the Gamecube or N64: not the most overwhelming selection, but a good number of solid-to-great titles nonetheless.

As for the last sentence, it's definitely your suggestion that is skewed. First, it's not PS360, it's usually PC/PS3/360: second, that means you are effectively setting up a "Wii vs. everything else in the world" scenario, which obviously isn't fair, and certainly isn't something that Microsoft or Sony would agree to; lastly, the PS3 is clearly riding the 360's coat tails, as the number of exclusives for the 360 indicates. You've used this tactic before -- you lump the 360 and PS3 together, which obviously makes the PS3 look much better, as it has a much lower install base and profoundly fewer exclusives, both in overall quality and quantity.


I am making the 360 and PS3 look a lot better than you are, yes.

If you compare the PS3 and Wii lineup so far, the PS3 has the better one judging by reviews.

If you look at the future, the PS3 and 360 both have more high-profile games than the Wii.  That is, looking at the 360 individually to the Wii and the PS3 individually to the Wii.

If you look at the PS3 exlcusives you have to include Sony's great first party games which will include 13 or so games this year. 

In all honesty, I do not think the Gamecube's lineup compares to the first and third party support the PS3 will get. 



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windbane on 23 July 2007
steven787 said:
Bodhesatva said:
steven787 said:
I am a pretty big Wii supporter (yes I mean big like tall and fat) but that list isn't all that impressive. It really isn't impressive on a game by game basis.

However, I expect this list to grow even more. Out of the New 3rd party exclusives - Chocobo's Dungeon, MOH heroes2 (though also on PSP) seem like the only big ones. Though I will be buying Ninjabread Man.

Off topic: On Ninjabread Man. I see this game selling well just on the novelty of it, propelling the developer to a higher level as far as capabilities. Who knows? Ninjabread Man could end up being the next Spyro or Crash (both of the first games were bleh, and were followed with decent sequels.)

I absolutely agree with your assessment, although it's going to be hard for the "New IPs" crowd to continue to insist that the Wii is lacking in that regard.

This is the first crop of games to come around since the Wii became the clear forerunner in early 07. I expect the next crop to be larger, with the same number of budget titles, but more sequels and established titles thrown in there as well.

 

I think New IP's have a better chance on Wii, since motion controls make it less important and new or returning gamers don't care as much as us dusty obsolete hardcore gamers.


I don't know how the "hardcore" can complain about Wii, my PS3 is getting very little use... Thank god for Planet Earth on BluRay.


I'm sorry that you must not like the games available on the PS3 so far, but I'm having a very hard time playing them all.  At least try Super Stardust HD.



your mother on 24 July 2007
windbane said:
your mother said:
Bodhesatva said:

Here is this month's list of newly announced exclusives:

http://www.gamingtarget.com/article.php?artid=725

PS3: 3 new exclusive titles announced
360: 5 new exclusive titles announced
Wii: 37 new exclusive titles announced

That's an enormous swing: given that the PS3 and Wii had nearly identical totals of exclusives when they were launched, the Wii now has 2.5 times as many.


2.5x as many - as launch exclusives, you mean.

Going by your numbers, the Wii is getting 7.4x more exclusives than the 360, and 12.3x the number of exculsives compared to the PS3; combining both the PS3 and 360 you still get 4.6x the number os exclusives.


That's some cute math, but completely disregards the games that are just on the 360 and PS3 as I've said.


There. I've highlighted the relevant points to facilitate your reading comprehension.

I specifically stated that "going by your (Bodhesatva's) numbers..."

What you posted afterwards is kind of hard for me to take into account, becuse unfortunately I lack the clairvoyant skills to preempt what you will say in the future.

And yes, I have an innate ability to make numbers look cuddly and gorgeous. Thanks for the compliment.



Bodhesatva on 24 July 2007
windbane said:
your mother said:
Bodhesatva said:

Here is this month's list of newly announced exclusives:

http://www.gamingtarget.com/article.php?artid=725

PS3: 3 new exclusive titles announced
360: 5 new exclusive titles announced
Wii: 37 new exclusive titles announced

That's an enormous swing: given that the PS3 and Wii had nearly identical totals of exclusives when they were launched, the Wii now has 2.5 times as many.


2.5x as many - as launch exclusives, you mean.

Going by your numbers, the Wii is getting 7.4x more exclusives than the 360, and 12.3x the number of exculsives compared to the PS3; combining both the PS3 and 360 you still get 4.6x the number os exclusives.


That's some cute math, but completely disregards the games that are just on the 360 and PS3 as I've said.

Seriously, guys, I know it's an impressive number to display, but please try to be fair.


Please, Windbane, don't be smart. You can't set up a "Wii vs. everything else in the world" scenario. It's you that is being unfair. You're looking at this from a player's perspective: I totally agree, as a player, that it doesn't matter if a game is cross platform or not (disregarding the relatively minor conern of hardware-specific optimization). As a hardware company? It's a huge deal. Especially if you're Sony -- Microsoft clearly stands to gain the most from cross platform titles. You've used this technique repeatedly: combining the 360 and PS3 into a single entity, which obviously makes the PS3 look better, since it is effectively holding on to the 360's coat tails. 

You cannot possibly convince me that Sony and Microsoft are happy about being forced to "team up" with the PC, PS3 and 360 platforms combined just to compete with Nintendo. 



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windbane on 24 July 2007
your mother said:
windbane said:
your mother said:
Bodhesatva said:

Here is this month's list of newly announced exclusives:

http://www.gamingtarget.com/article.php?artid=725

PS3: 3 new exclusive titles announced
360: 5 new exclusive titles announced
Wii: 37 new exclusive titles announced

That's an enormous swing: given that the PS3 and Wii had nearly identical totals of exclusives when they were launched, the Wii now has 2.5 times as many.


2.5x as many - as launch exclusives, you mean.

Going by your numbers, the Wii is getting 7.4x more exclusives than the 360, and 12.3x the number of exculsives compared to the PS3; combining both the PS3 and 360 you still get 4.6x the number os exclusives.


That's some cute math, but completely disregards the games that are just on the 360 and PS3 as I've said.


There. I've highlighted the relevant points to facilitate your reading comprehension.

I specifically stated that "going by your (Bodhesatva's) numbers..."

What you posted afterwards is kind of hard for me to take into account, becuse unfortunately I lack the clairvoyant skills to preempt what you will say in the future.

And yes, I have an innate ability to make numbers look cuddly and gorgeous. Thanks for the compliment.


You are still ignoring all the games announced for the 360 and PS3 that will not be on the Wii.  You can not "combine" the PS3 and 360 exclusives and get 4.6 times the exclusives for the Wii because you aren't including the games that are on both the PS3 and 360, such as the many I named above. 



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sinha on 24 July 2007

360 (96 total)
released: 47, 20 green (43%)
unreleased: 49, 16 green (33%)

PS3 (47 total)
released: 8, 3 green (38%)
unreleased: 39, 12 green (32%)

Wii (113 total)
released: 23, 5 green (22%)
unreleased: 90, 18 green (20%)

So the Wii has the most exclusives, but the lowest percentage of green games.

Wow, no wonder the PS3 isn't selling well, it's the most expensive console and only has 8 released exclusives? And of those eight, only three have decent Metascores, and the highest is only 86.


Also, I wonder what the numbers are like for non-exclusive games, because windbane is right, a lot of big games are coming out on the PS3 and 360 but not the Wii.



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It's a virus where you buy it and you play it with your friends and they're like, "Oh my God that's so cool, I'm gonna go buy it." So you stop playing it after two months, but they buy it and they stop playing it after two months but they've showed it to someone else who then go out and buy it and so on. Everyone I know bought one and nobody turns it on. - Epic Games president Mike Capps

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Desroko on 24 July 2007
windbane said:
Desroko said:
windbane said:
your mother said:
Bodhesatva said:

Here is this month's list of newly announced exclusives:

http://www.gamingtarget.com/article.php?artid=725

PS3: 3 new exclusive titles announced
360: 5 new exclusive titles announced
Wii: 37 new exclusive titles announced

That's an enormous swing: given that the PS3 and Wii had nearly identical totals of exclusives when they were launched, the Wii now has 2.5 times as many.


2.5x as many - as launch exclusives, you mean.

Going by your numbers, the Wii is getting 7.4x more exclusives than the 360, and 12.3x the number of exculsives compared to the PS3; combining both the PS3 and 360 you still get 4.6x the number os exclusives.


I do not mean to say the same thing over and over, but this is not exactly an "explosion" if you ask me.


37 new exclusives in one month is not an explosion? You're reaching, here.


Compared to the number of games the Wii isn't going to get, it's not an explosion. It was E3, all the systems got a lot of announcements.


And the Wii got far more then your PS360 combination combined. 



Bodhesatva on 24 July 2007
windbane said:
Desroko said:
windbane said:
your mother said:
Bodhesatva said:

Here is this month's list of newly announced exclusives:

http://www.gamingtarget.com/article.php?artid=725

PS3: 3 new exclusive titles announced
360: 5 new exclusive titles announced
Wii: 37 new exclusive titles announced

That's an enormous swing: given that the PS3 and Wii had nearly identical totals of exclusives when they were launched, the Wii now has 2.5 times as many.


2.5x as many - as launch exclusives, you mean.

Going by your numbers, the Wii is getting 7.4x more exclusives than the 360, and 12.3x the number of exculsives compared to the PS3; combining both the PS3 and 360 you still get 4.6x the number os exclusives.


I do not mean to say the same thing over and over, but this is not exactly an "explosion" if you ask me.


37 new exclusives in one month is not an explosion? You're reaching, here.


Compared to the number of games the Wii isn't going to get, it's not an explosion. It was E3, all the systems got a lot of announcements.


No, they didn't. The PS3 got 3 exclusives. The 360 5. You cannot combine the 360/PS3/PC into a single platform, that's an invalid proposition from a sales standpoint.

 



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your mother on 24 July 2007
windbane said:
your mother said:
windbane said:
your mother said:
Bodhesatva said:

Here is this month's list of newly announced exclusives:

http://www.gamingtarget.com/article.php?artid=725

PS3: 3 new exclusive titles announced
360: 5 new exclusive titles announced
Wii: 37 new exclusive titles announced

That's an enormous swing: given that the PS3 and Wii had nearly identical totals of exclusives when they were launched, the Wii now has 2.5 times as many.


2.5x as many - as launch exclusives, you mean.

Going by your numbers, the Wii is getting 7.4x more exclusives than the 360, and 12.3x the number of exculsives compared to the PS3; combining both the PS3 and 360 you still get 4.6x the number os exclusives.


That's some cute math, but completely disregards the games that are just on the 360 and PS3 as I've said.


There. I've highlighted the relevant points to facilitate your reading comprehension.

I specifically stated that "going by your (Bodhesatva's) numbers..."

What you posted afterwards is kind of hard for me to take into account, becuse unfortunately I lack the clairvoyant skills to preempt what you will say in the future.

And yes, I have an innate ability to make numbers look cuddly and gorgeous. Thanks for the compliment.


You are still ignoring all the games announced for the 360 and PS3 that will not be on the Wii. You can not "combine" the PS3 and 360 exclusives and get 4.6 times the exclusives for the Wii because you aren't including the games that are on both the PS3 and 360, such as the many I named above.


I am not ignoring ANYTHING. I was simply REFERRING to Bodhesatva's numbers.

You have an issue with that? Bring it up with Bodhesatva. Not me. From HIS NUMBERS, my CUTE math is as SOUND AND ACCURATE as math can possibly be.



windbane on 24 July 2007
Bodhesatva said:
windbane said:
your mother said:
Bodhesatva said:

Here is this month's list of newly announced exclusives:

http://www.gamingtarget.com/article.php?artid=725

PS3: 3 new exclusive titles announced
360: 5 new exclusive titles announced
Wii: 37 new exclusive titles announced

That's an enormous swing: given that the PS3 and Wii had nearly identical totals of exclusives when they were launched, the Wii now has 2.5 times as many.


2.5x as many - as launch exclusives, you mean.

Going by your numbers, the Wii is getting 7.4x more exclusives than the 360, and 12.3x the number of exculsives compared to the PS3; combining both the PS3 and 360 you still get 4.6x the number os exclusives.


That's some cute math, but completely disregards the games that are just on the 360 and PS3 as I've said.

Seriously, guys, I know it's an impressive number to display, but please try to be fair.


Please, Windbane, don't be smart. You can't set up a "Wii vs. everything else in the world" scenario. It's you that is being unfair. You're looking at this from a player's perspective: I totally agree, as a player, that it doesn't matter if a game is cross platform or not (disregarding the relatively minor conern of hardware-specific optimization). As a hardware company? It's a huge deal. Especially if you're Sony -- Microsoft clearly stands to gain the most from cross platform titles. You've used this technique repeatedly: combining the 360 and PS3 into a single entity, which obviously makes the PS3 look better, since it is effectively holding on to the 360's coat tails.

You cannot possibly convince me that Sony and Microsoft are happy about being forced to "team up" with the PC, PS3 and 360 platforms combined just to compete with Nintendo.


Ugh.  I really just feel like you are looking at this the wrong way.   This is not about teaming up.  The PS3 and 360 will have Resident Evil 5 and the Wii will not.

It's not combining anything, it is singling out the Wii in that it will not get that game.  It will not get Devil May Cry 4.  It will not get Assassin's Creed.  Even if 360 gets its way, the Wii will not get FF13 or MGS4.  The Wii will not get Soul Calibur 5.

It is not about teaming up, it is not about combining, it is about the Wii trying to make up for all of those games it will not get with a bunch of...well...that list you link to.

This is not a trick, it's simply what systems get what games.