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@soriku
being that your facts are also based on a dev pattern that suggest japanese made games are in heavy decline, but you say it's expoding, oh i see.



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BengaBenga said:
Senlis said:
If you read the paragraph under the Wii top ten on this site, they speculate that the Wii could get an explosion of 3rd party support just like how the DS did. Only time will tell...

 

That's no speculation, it's happening in broad daylight.

Already announced:

Conduit, MadWorld, Arc Rise Fantasia, Muramasa Demon Blade, Monster Hunter 3, Fragile, Deadly Creatures, House of the Dead: Overkill, Tenchu 4, Cursed Mountain, etc.

I'm not saying these are the biggest games around (although RPG gamers will be very excited) but no-one can deny that this is a very promising list.

None of those titles are part of the top 50 most selling video game franchises and the title of this thread is about 'main, big' 3rd party title...

 



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

trestres said:
I'm telling you people, besides the 3 Wii hating companies (Konami, SE, Ubisoft) who release nothing more than shovelware, spin-offs, delayed games, ports, etc. and Capcom to a certain extent, every other company will undoubtedly support the Wii. People here seem to forget that Wii was thought to be a failure by every single developer, and that is showing right now with the lack of 3rd party games. It's obvious every dev besides those 4 I named are already making Wii games, but they have to finish their HD projects first.

Don't doubt the Wii, it's not been even 2 years yet since it launched and about 1 year since it became a fact that the Wii would win this gen. Games will arrive next year, believe it or not.

And this will in fact help the next Wii, since devs would be very idiotic not to have great games ready for the launch of the successor of the most successful home console so far.

 

I have to laugh each time I read one of those posts seeing how Ubisoft is the third party with the most million sellers on the Wii lol. ( with a couple more coming these holydays).

Maybe Ubisoft Wii titles are not to your taste but they seem to be well received by a significant portion of the Wii user base...( Rayman Ravid franchise is kicking butt, and it's not a random purchase by casual with no clue when several titles in the same franchise do equally well..)

 



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

Ail said:
BengaBenga said:
Senlis said:
If you read the paragraph under the Wii top ten on this site, they speculate that the Wii could get an explosion of 3rd party support just like how the DS did. Only time will tell...

 

That's no speculation, it's happening in broad daylight.

Already announced:

Conduit, MadWorld, Arc Rise Fantasia, Muramasa Demon Blade, Monster Hunter 3, Fragile, Deadly Creatures, House of the Dead: Overkill, Tenchu 4, Cursed Mountain, etc.

I'm not saying these are the biggest games around (although RPG gamers will be very excited) but no-one can deny that this is a very promising list.

None of those titles are part of the top 50 most selling video game franchises and the title of this thread is about 'main, big' 3rd party title...

 

 

The thread title also talks about next gen...



@benga.

and it will, monster its about the biggest third party exclusive they have and its only big in japan.

tales never been a huge seller either. OP stated BIG main games.

but i don't see square FF /konami mgs4/capcom Re5 probably 2009 game of the year/ Ubisoft assasin creed, beyond good and evil /Valve left4dead orange box/ rockstar la noir gta4,etc going to make ports for the wii and those are their big games.

sure some developers will make the jump but m$ and sony will be getting the biggest share of main hardcore titles overall.

simply 3 reasons
- games are easily between PC/360/ps3, the wii do restrains graphically some serious cuts have to go. bigger than the era of gc/xbox/ps2 where a few polygons and textures were gone.
-most of the hardcore audience got those consoles.
thats 16kk ps3 and 21kk 360 and if you put at least 2 million PCs.
- hardcore developers named above proyects are already on development


and its not change for a while, since the second round of games being announced and are not going to be ported to the wii, not even announced  . TGS and E3 just pass by.





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Jo21 said:

monster hunter its huge in japan, but tales and tenchu are not big.

are not as big as Resident evil 5, FF13, Versus, GTA4, DMC4, Star Ocean 4 etc.

guitar hero always been multiplatform, ps2 even gets its version, hell even the DS. same goes for call of duty.

Those games (SO4 maybe too, but unsure) were all in development before the Wii even launched.



Not really. I expect the wii to keep getting casual low budget titles primarily due to its demographics whether simply misperception or reality



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Soriku said:

@prof

wat

How are those two things the same? Japanese gaming is in decline because--as according to SE, Namco, Capcom, Kojima, whoever--is the lack of Japanese-esque games and the fact that they don't sell as much anymore. These games' precense aren't huge in the West if they're not called FF and more and more Japanese devs have started to make more Western games because of low Japan sales.

When I mean explosion I don't mean SALES (though the Wii is the best system to sell JRPGs on. ToS: DotNW is the best selling current gen console JRPG in Japan now.) I mean amount of titles being produced.

soriku, show me how the amount of titles has increased. I said it wasn't increasing and you said it is, in fact you used that "fact" as a way of giving the wii credit somehow. show me how japanese titles are increasing beyond a normal trend of new console game development.

For example: ps3 comes out with 30 games in year one(let's just say) and in the next year it is 50 titles.

show me how japanese development is increasing (beyond what is normal (because that was your rationale))because i'm very interested. Wii 3rd party support is almost non-existent but now some titles are coming along, which is normal for any console, 1-2 years in the aaa games from 3rd party start to appear. This is a normal trend. There is probably more japanese development on the wii already, but stuff so bad you just don't hear about it.

ps: you said "japanese title announcements". So, are you simply saying that there are going to be more AAA titles coming out for a system already 2 years on the market? SHOCKER!!!

PPS: I'm only doing this because you are being a little too much right now. Everyone knows wii is winning the console war. WOW brought up a good point about the whole "let nintendomination begin" thing. It's arrogant, and trolling (quoting your "ps3 screwed up this gen" and just because other people do it ("PS3Domination") doesn't justify you doing it for the other side. Especially for someone with 20k posts and a senior member here, you should be more mature than that.

 



I dk, If they can't help themselves by sticking to known formula, like the competitors, dev. might again be confused by Nintendo's design / controller approach yet again.

This could be detrimental to the effort required for companies to make games for the Wii2. On the other hand, as is slowly happening this gen, perhaps the opposite will happen and eventually WM+ will prove that there is lost potential in the PSX360 market, a potential that should have been embraced 2 years ago.

The interesting question is whether all of next gen. will adopt motion control, whether Nintendo will take it further (id say yes, much further than the others could possibly imagine) and if this alone will solidify not just HD graphics but motion control as a standard. Thus making Nintendo a better choice for the MC market.



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