psrock said:
YES THE Wii IS DOING QUITE WELL In the end both system will be close to each other sales wise, and equal if you take out the year advantage. oNE thing that has changed this Gen and will continue to disapear is exclusives. And frankly, the next wii will get the games, not the PS360. |
And the prize for understatement of the year goes to .....
At this rate, ps3 will beat x360 due to a ps2-like lifespan
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I think the actual main factor here which people seem to forget is actually the games. This generation will be known as the multi-platform generation. As powerful as the PS3 is the games dont warrent paying the extra $100-$200 for over the 360. I think this is what were seeing in Japan. The world is in a bit of a bad place financially and i'm sorry but i just can't see familys around the world about to spend their money on the PS3. They want to spend as little as possible and this is how MS have got Sony by the balls. Sony will do a price cut next year this is going to happen. But at that time i can imagine MS will come out and say "look a 360 that can play FFXIII for $150!" Right now Sony is making less money then before. I think they said it dropped $2Billion in the past 3 months while MS made $4.37Billion in that period. That means Sony cant drop the price of the PS3 because the 17% profit they made on it in the past 3 months will be gone in an instance and they will start to lose money again. And Sony said they dont intend to do that on the PS3. Where as MS in contrast has money to play with but more importantly the sales to influence developers. Next year when the companies try to snap up exclusives MS is in a far better position to get them. Right now people have to understand Sony is the losing company. They are not in a position of power compared to what they were in the PS1&2 era. The Wii is like the new PS2. The casuals have all bought one. Where as the die hards have already got a PS3. The market is now to try and get those who have a Wii to buy either a PS3 or a 360. This xmas i think will be the last battleground for who comes 1st and second this generation. The Wii will win xmas, we all know this. The question is then what the numbers will be like between the 360 and the PS3. If the 360 does what it did last year and sold 1.4m units compared to the PS3's 800k then this one is over. If the gap gets beyond the current 6M i.e say a 7m gap then i just cant see the PS3 making that up before the next consoles come out.
summery of this thread : game over for ps3
| ahcheng said: summery of this thread : game over for ps3 |
lol... youre a funny one.
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mrstickball said:
Yes. In all honesty, I was in chatrooms arguing about the Playstation 3 costing consumers well above $500 USD before Sony made it's infamous announcement. Merrill Lynch had a great report well before E3 about what was going to happen: http://www.engadget.com/2006/02/18/playstation-3-costs-900-sez-merrill-lynch-mob/ With those kinds of preliminary, staggering numbers, it was only safe to assume that Sony wasn't going to take a $400+ loss per console to allow sales to flourish at a reasonable ($400 starting point) price. Since Sony didn't do that, I have always been negative about Sony's blunder. Say what you will, Playstation fans, but Sony as a gaming division has pulled a Sega Saturn this generation. 15 years from now, we'll look back and redicule $599 even more than we do now, because it'll go down in history as the thing that killed Sony (not saying they'll go under, but reduce their role as a 2nd fiddle player). The Playstation family has always done well due to 3 pillars:
Unfortunately, the Playstation 3 only has one of those 3 things. I assumed that, in the beginning, Sony would maintain something that resembled #2, but that utterly failed when Microsoft snatched up all the 3rd party games in the west, and Nintendo cleaned up in Japan. Here's the best analogy of the Playstation family: Playstation 1 was a remarkable engineer that developed something truely ahead of it's time. Playstation 2 was a savy CEO that dominated his industry, and Playstation 3 is a spoiled runt living off of the coattails of it's predicessors. Where is the ambition, Sony? They've pulled the Sega Saturn, they've mastered the N64-type turnaround. They've done virtually everything that's counterintuitive to their business model. Yes, you can and should take gambles with your hardware, but they took the step backwards by forcing their loyal consumers to adopt to an overpriced, under-gamed system. Those are strong words, but I think they're warranted considering the Playstation 3 is still in 3rd place. Say what you will, but Sony is still in 3rd place. The Playstation 3 has spent more time in last place than any other Playstation system in history has. That's not a good thing, that's a bad thing. And to finish (and reiterate what I've already said): 15 years from now, if Sony fans still exist, they will deride this generation as the specific time that Sony had it all, and lost it like Atari, Sega and Nintendo all did at times before. Kilter - I think the argument and assumption of consoles doing well, late in their lifespan has more to do with how well the console sold earlier on versus anything else. I don't hear anyone singing the merits of late lifespan N64 sales, do you? |
I hate to admit it, but you're right.
However, even if the PS3 is Sony's GameCube, all is not lost. The GameCube did infinitely worse than the PS3, and look what Nintendo managed to do in the seventh gen.
SCE just needs another CEO like Ken Kutaragi. There's definitely potential for it to bounce back.
They'll never sacrifice technology, but then the PS2 sacrificed no technology and look how successful it was.
Maybe next time they'll keep the console modern and contemporary without putting in technology 5 years ahead of its time and adding 200 bucks to the price.
Having said that, where would the PS3 be without blu-ray?
EDIT: This is not to say I don't think the PS3 will overtake the X360. Simple statistics show that it will.
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here is the failed logic in your thinking. you are looking at everything as is right now. the reality is that things one way or another won't just stay the same. nintendo claims about a 3rd of their owners are this new market of new gamers that they have attracted for one. Do we know hoe long or deep that market will run? No. It could continue to grow ar just come to an end leaving nintendo to rely on traditional gamers to continue it's pace. Do we know what the level of the situation will be in regards to software for all the systems a year two or 3 down the road? No. if tradition continues this is the 360's big year and next yewar would be the PS3's as will the Wii's. i think you should wait to make such a statement till after Ninty and Sony have had their 3rd year and then assess the situation. i know in many ways you would like to call this over Now Squillium, but unfotunately there is still allot more game to play. Odds are things arent even half way over for Sony or ninty. As for MS it's hard to say.
| Hyruken said: I think the actual main factor here which people seem to forget is actually the games. This generation will be known as the multi-platform generation. As powerful as the PS3 is the games dont warrent paying the extra $100-$200 for over the 360. I think this is what were seeing in Japan. The world is in a bit of a bad place financially and i'm sorry but i just can't see familys around the world about to spend their money on the PS3. They want to spend as little as possible and this is how MS have got Sony by the balls. Sony will do a price cut next year this is going to happen. But at that time i can imagine MS will come out and say "look a 360 that can play FFXIII for $150!" Right now Sony is making less money then before. I think they said it dropped $2Billion in the past 3 months while MS made $4.37Billion in that period. That means Sony cant drop the price of the PS3 because the 17% profit they made on it in the past 3 months will be gone in an instance and they will start to lose money again. And Sony said they dont intend to do that on the PS3. Where as MS in contrast has money to play with but more importantly the sales to influence developers. Next year when the companies try to snap up exclusives MS is in a far better position to get them. Right now people have to understand Sony is the losing company. They are not in a position of power compared to what they were in the PS1&2 era. The Wii is like the new PS2. The casuals have all bought one. Where as the die hards have already got a PS3. The market is now to try and get those who have a Wii to buy either a PS3 or a 360. This xmas i think will be the last battleground for who comes 1st and second this generation. The Wii will win xmas, we all know this. The question is then what the numbers will be like between the 360 and the PS3. If the 360 does what it did last year and sold 1.4m units compared to the PS3's 800k then this one is over. If the gap gets beyond the current 6M i.e say a 7m gap then i just cant see the PS3 making that up before the next consoles come out. |
But hardware sales are on the whole at the highest they've been in weeks (or months if looking at the Wii)
I think some will be pleasantly surprised at the amount of hardware shipped and sold across the board this season.
Proud Sony Rear Admiral
| Spankey said:
But hardware sales are on the whole at the highest they've been in weeks (or months if looking at the Wii) I think some will be pleasantly surprised at the amount of hardware shipped and sold across the board this season.
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It will be interesting to see how the market reacts to the ecconomic downturn ... People will be cutting back on most large purchases (cars and whatnot) which will free up a lot of extra money for them which they may or may not spend on smaller purchases.
I wouldn't (necessarily) look at sales on a week-to-week basis right now because we're heading into the Christmas shopping season and the real question will be how this quarter compares to the same quarter from the past several years.
| Kantor said: I hate to admit it, but you're right. However, even if the PS3 is Sony's GameCube, all is not lost. The GameCube did infinitely worse than the PS3, and look what Nintendo managed to do in the seventh gen. SCE just needs another CEO like Ken Kutaragi. There's definitely potential for it to bounce back. They'll never sacrifice technology, but then the PS2 sacrificed no technology and look how successful it was. Maybe next time they'll keep the console modern and contemporary without putting in technology 5 years ahead of its time and adding 200 bucks to the price. Having said that, where would the PS3 be without blu-ray? EDIT: This is not to say I don't think the PS3 will overtake the X360. Simple statistics show that it will. |
Hate to sound like a broken record (I bring it up every time), but we don't know this yet. In terms of $$, the PS3's losses are infinitely more than the Gamecube's, and that may never change. We can't just compare sales, there's money and other things involved as well.
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